Re: recourse if our rules are violated?

The problem Harald is that those are two types of comments
that someone who owns and has authoritative knowledge of
those rights would have to submit. The other issue you
havent dealt with is when someone else files a 'I think
there are outstanding IPR issues here' notice. And that
should require those people submitting the Work Product to
react and either confirm through a license which documents
those claims, or a release which clearly states that they
are not asserting any claims therin.

Todd


-----Original Message-----
>From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <haraldalvestrand.no>
>Sent: Apr 10, 2007 2:44 PM
>To: Frank Ellermann <nobodyxyzzy.claranet.de>,
ipr-wgietf.org
>Subject: Re: recourse if our rules are violated?
>
>
>
>--On 10. april 2007 20:06 +0200 Frank Ellermann
<nobodyxyzzy.claranet.de> 
>wrote:
>
>> John C Klensin wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not sure what that leads to in terms of
IETF procedures.
>>>> We're still left with two choices: ignore
the IPR claim or
>>>> ignore the technology.
>>
>>> I would have chosen a different verb than
"ignore", but, yes,
>>> that is the problem and, at least, the reason
we need to make
>>> careful case-by-case decisions.
>>
>> How about a default rule "remove RFC from
standards track" that
>> can be overruled by an IETF consensus ?
>
>Remember that two of the possible kinds of IPR
disclosures are:
>
>- "oops, we forgot to tell you about this patent,
here's the license that 
>clearly and unambiguously gives you permission to use it
in any way you 
>want to"
>
>- "oops, we forgot to tell you about this patent,
here's a pile of legal 
>mutterings that tell you absolutely nothing and will
leave you wondering 
>about the ability to use the technology for the next 20
years"
>
>and every shade in between.
>I don't like "default" rules.
>
>                    Harald
>
>
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