F*cking Microsoft Spell Checker... my apologies as to the
typos in this.
Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: "TS Glassey" <tglassey earthlink.net>
To: "Harald Alvestrand" <haraldalvestrand.no>
Cc: <ipr-wgietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: Harald...Deans Suspension
> Harald - I agree that civility is an issue, but its one
that you and
> others violate as well. Mew included... hell I
threatened to sue you
> personally for some of your actions. My apologies for
wasting the lists
> time with that by the way.
>
> As to Dean's suspension, you should have jus ignored
him... rather than
> PR'ing him. PR'ing is an invitation for litigation and
I will reiterate
> that the rules are adversarial and undisclosed to the
Sponsor's so any
> disciplinary actions against their staff who are
sponsored opens the IETF
> and YOU PERSONALLY ass well as those who participated
to threat of
> litigation I am betting.
>
> As to the topical control of the List itself, the rules
are broken as to
> 'remaining on topic' and the power to determine what
that topic is. The
> current rules are adversarial to anyoen who dissents
from the WG's Chairs
> actions making the WG Chair the cause of damage in
those matters where the
> WG Chair makes the determination as to what is and is
not on-topic.
>
> Simply put, on the Topic's, the issue is that you as
the Group Leader or
> WG Chair DONT OWN THE EFFORTS OF THE GROUP. They belong
to the IETF and
> those sponsors who are paying for that time so it is
inapporpriate for
> anyone to say what is and is not on topic as long as
the the people who
> are participating retain any rights to their own
words.
>
> Jorge will probably tell you this is true offline too I
bet, but your
> preventing others from participating in a technical
manner, even if you
> disagree with their participation is a tortuous
interferrance with their
> Sponsor's Operations and I believe opens not only the
IETF but you
> personally and more importantly, you sponsor's... or
those supporting
> those actions, including their sponsors. Hell you never
notify the
> Sponsor's of any disiplinary actions against their
representitive and this
> is a serious issue I believe.
>
> No Harald, this needs to change... and Deans suspension
may be the straw
> that breaks the camel's back. I suggest that the PR
policy and control
> needs to be reviewed and in that eliminated
>
> Todd Glassey
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harald Alvestrand" <haraldalvestrand.no>
> To: "TS Glassey" <tglasseyearthlink.net>
> Cc: <ipr-wgietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Harald...Deans Suspension
>
>
>> TS Glassey skrev:
>>> Harald - I understand that you object to Deans
(and my) views and
>>> politics but silcensikng dissenting opinions
becuase you are offended at
>>> the effort of having to ignore them is pretty
petty. Its also pretty
>>> common for the IETF it appears since you
personally did this to me as
>>> well.
>>>
>> The views of the participants are irrelevant to
them being suspended (or
>> not).
>> The criteria for being allowed to speak on an IETF
list are (basically)
>> civility, and staying on topic.
>>> I suggest that it is not in the IETF's best
interests to continue with
>>> the PR process and propose formally rescinding
it and terminating the
>>> suspensions prior to the matter escalating to a
place that's painful and
>>> wasteful for all concerned.
>>>
>> The proper place to discuss the IETF's PR-action
policy is on the IETF
>> list.
>>> Todd Glassey
>>>
>>>
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