hibernate 3.3.0 upgrade, slf4j introduction into jbossas

Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in jbossas trunk, and why
is this 
pulling in yet another logging framework? This needs to be
reverted, and 
why there has to be yet another logging framework dependency
brought in 
explained.


*** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name -> Error

vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear 
-> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory

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I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and Steve's request.  I
can switch it back to 
the old version if that's what is needed.


Scott Stark wrote:
> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in jbossas trunk,
and why is this 
> pulling in yet another logging framework? This needs to
be reverted, and 
> why there has to be yet another logging framework
dependency brought in 
> explained.
> 
> 
> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name -> Error
> 
>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear 
> -> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
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It needs to be rolled back for now as its broken the tck
runs. The 
transitive additional thirdparty dependencies its bringing
in need to be 
discussed with Dimitris when he gets back next week.

Paul Gier wrote:
> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and Steve's request.
 I can switch 
> it back to the old version if that's what is needed.
>
>
> Scott Stark wrote:
>> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in jbossas
trunk, and why is this 
>> pulling in yet another logging framework? This
needs to be reverted, 
>> and why there has to be yet another logging
framework dependency 
>> brought in explained.
>>
>>
>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name -> Error
>>
>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear 
>> -> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>>
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I initiated that very discussion on this very list almost a
year ago ;)

On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Paul Gier wrote:

> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and Steve's request.
 I can  
> switch it back to the old version if that's what is
needed.
>
>
> Scott Stark wrote:
>> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in jbossas
trunk, and why is  
>> this pulling in yet another logging framework? This
needs to be  
>> reverted, and why there has to be yet another
logging framework  
>> dependency brought in explained.
>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name -> Error
>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/ 
>> jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear ->  
>> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>> _______________________________________________
>> jboss-development mailing list
>> jboss-developmentlists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-develop
ment
>


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And we said sure, introduce yet another logging api?

Steve Ebersole wrote:
> I initiated that very discussion on this very list
almost a year ago ;)
>
> On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Paul Gier wrote:
>
>> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and Steve's
request.  I can switch 
>> it back to the old version if that's what is
needed.
>>
>>
>> Scott Stark wrote:
>>> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in jbossas
trunk, and why is this 
>>> pulling in yet another logging framework? This
needs to be reverted, 
>>> and why there has to be yet another logging
framework dependency 
>>> brought in explained.
>>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name -> Error
>>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear 
>>> -> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>>>
_______________________________________________
>>> jboss-development mailing list
>>> jboss-developmentlists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-develop
ment
>>
>
>
> -----------------------------
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>
> Project Lead
> http://hibernate.org
> stevehibernate.org
>
>
>
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I added the stuff to jboss-logging that Steve was wanting to
use sl4j for.

Scott Stark wrote:
> And we said sure, introduce yet another logging api?
> 
> Steve Ebersole wrote:
>> I initiated that very discussion on this very list
almost a year ago ;)
>>
>> On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Paul Gier wrote:
>>
>>> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and Steve's
request.  I can switch 
>>> it back to the old version if that's what is
needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Stark wrote:
>>>> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in
jbossas trunk, and why is this 
>>>> pulling in yet another logging framework?
This needs to be reverted, 
>>>> and why there has to be yet another logging
framework dependency 
>>>> brought in explained.
>>>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name -> Error
>>>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear 
>>>> -> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>> jboss-development mailing list
>>>> jboss-developmentlists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-develop
ment
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Project Lead
>> http://hibernate.org
>> stevehibernate.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I cannot help that AS seems to think that every piece of
technology  
needs to be complete re-written in house.  Y'all have you're
own  
logging framework, great, add it to the other 50 out there.

The part that you are missing is that Hibernate is first and
foremost  
a standalone library.  And in terms of integration, I have
to consider  
integration with many containers.  I'm sure they all want
jboss- 
logging as the 'yet another logging api' in their
environments as well.

I used to use commons-logging which had a very specific
problem that  
slf4j solves in a unique way *on any platform*...

If you recall, I asked about experiences using jboss-logging
in  
environments other than within JBoss AS and (in keeping with
the  
general theme of that thread) got no replies to the question
asked: http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/jboss-d
evelopment/2007-July/010398.html


On May 2, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Scott Stark wrote:

> And we said sure, introduce yet another logging api?
>
> Steve Ebersole wrote:
>> I initiated that very discussion on this very list
almost a year  
>> ago ;)
>>
>> On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Paul Gier wrote:
>>
>>> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and Steve's
request.  I can  
>>> switch it back to the old version if that's
what is needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Stark wrote:
>>>> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in
jbossas trunk, and why is  
>>>> this pulling in yet another logging
framework? This needs to be  
>>>> reverted, and why there has to be yet
another logging framework  
>>>> dependency brought in explained.
>>>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name -> Error
>>>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/ 
>>>> jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear
->  
>>>> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>>>>
_______________________________________________
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>>>> jboss-developmentlists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-develop
ment
>>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Steve Ebersole
>>
>> Project Lead
>> http://hibernate.org
>> stevehibernate.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Perhaps we ought to embrace the fact that there are a
fuckton of logging 
frameworks out there.  Pick one for the actual logging
implementation 
within JBossAS, and then provide compatibility facades for
every single 
other one out there, along with instructions with how to use
it.

It's not like it would be all that hard to do.  Hell, I'll
do it myself. 
Assuming I don't get Brocked. 

- DML

On 05/02/2008 12:12 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> I cannot help that AS seems to think that every piece
of technology 
> needs to be complete re-written in house.  Y'all have
you're own logging 
> framework, great, add it to the other 50 out there.
> 
> The part that you are missing is that Hibernate is
first and foremost a 
> standalone library.  And in terms of integration, I
have to consider 
> integration with many containers.  I'm sure they all
want jboss-logging 
> as the 'yet another logging api' in their environments
as well.
> 
> I used to use commons-logging which had a very specific
problem that 
> slf4j solves in a unique way *on any platform*...
> 
> If you recall, I asked about experiences using
jboss-logging in 
> environments other than within JBoss AS and (in keeping
with the general 
> theme of that thread) got no replies to the question
asked: 
> http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/jboss-d
evelopment/2007-July/010398.html
> 
> 
> On May 2, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Scott Stark wrote:
> 
>> And we said sure, introduce yet another logging
api?
>>
>> Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>> I initiated that very discussion on this very
list almost a year ago ;)
>>>
>>> On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Paul Gier wrote:
>>>
>>>> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and
Steve's request.  I can 
>>>> switch it back to the old version if that's
what is needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott Stark wrote:
>>>>> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in
jbossas trunk, and why is 
>>>>> this pulling in yet another logging
framework? This needs to be 
>>>>> reverted, and why there has to be yet
another logging framework 
>>>>> dependency brought in explained.
>>>>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name ->
Error
>>>>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear 
>>>>> -> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>>>>>
_______________________________________________
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>>>>> jboss-developmentlists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-develop
ment
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------
>>> Steve Ebersole
>>>
>>> Project Lead
>>> http://hibernate.org
>>> stevehibernate.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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> 
> 
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> 
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> stevehibernate.org
> 
> 
> 
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I apologize for the tone in my last response.  The original
thread was  
frustrating enough, and here it is being relived.  I let
that  
frustration get to me when I should not have.

On May 2, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:

> I cannot help that AS seems to think that every piece
of technology  
> needs to be complete re-written in house.  Y'all have
you're own  
> logging framework, great, add it to the other 50 out
there.
>
> The part that you are missing is that Hibernate is
first and  
> foremost a standalone library.  And in terms of
integration, I have  
> to consider integration with many containers.  I'm sure
they all  
> want jboss-logging as the 'yet another logging api' in
their  
> environments as well.
>
> I used to use commons-logging which had a very specific
problem that  
> slf4j solves in a unique way *on any platform*...
>
> If you recall, I asked about experiences using
jboss-logging in  
> environments other than within JBoss AS and (in keeping
with the  
> general theme of that thread) got no replies to the
question asked: http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/jboss-d
evelopment/2007-July/010398.html
>
>
> On May 2, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Scott Stark wrote:
>
>> And we said sure, introduce yet another logging
api?
>>
>> Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>> I initiated that very discussion on this very
list almost a year  
>>> ago ;)
>>>
>>> On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Paul Gier wrote:
>>>
>>>> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and
Steve's request.  I can  
>>>> switch it back to the old version if that's
what is needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott Stark wrote:
>>>>> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0 in
jbossas trunk, and why is  
>>>>> this pulling in yet another logging
framework? This needs to be  
>>>>> reverted, and why there has to be yet
another logging framework  
>>>>> dependency brought in explained.
>>>>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name ->
Error
>>>>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/ 
>>>>>
tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear ->  
>>>>> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>> jboss-development mailing list
>>>>> jboss-developmentlists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-develop
ment
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------
>>> Steve Ebersole
>>>
>>> Project Lead
>>> http://hibernate.org
>>> stevehibernate.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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>
> Project Lead
> http://hibernate.org
> stevehibernate.org
>
>
>
>


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What about if we used this:
  - https://svn
.jboss.org/repos/log2log/trunk
with-in one of our deployers, and you could mark certain
deployments as 
being 'dragged' through Log2Log to 'clean-up' logging?

Steve Ebersole wrote:
> I apologize for the tone in my last response.  The
original thread was 
> frustrating enough, and here it is being relived.  I
let that 
> frustration get to me when I should not have.
> 
> On May 2, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> 
>> I cannot help that AS seems to think that every
piece of technology 
>> needs to be complete re-written in house.  Y'all
have you're own 
>> logging framework, great, add it to the other 50
out there.
>>
>> The part that you are missing is that Hibernate is
first and foremost 
>> a standalone library.  And in terms of integration,
I have to consider 
>> integration with many containers.  I'm sure they
all want 
>> jboss-logging as the 'yet another logging api' in
their environments 
>> as well.
>>
>> I used to use commons-logging which had a very
specific problem that 
>> slf4j solves in a unique way *on any platform*...
>>
>> If you recall, I asked about experiences using
jboss-logging in 
>> environments other than within JBoss AS and (in
keeping with the 
>> general theme of that thread) got no replies to the
question asked: 
>> http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/jboss-d
evelopment/2007-July/010398.html
>>
>>
>> On May 2, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Scott Stark wrote:
>>
>>> And we said sure, introduce yet another logging
api?
>>>
>>> Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>>> I initiated that very discussion on this
very list almost a year ago ;)
>>>>
>>>> On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Paul Gier
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133 and
Steve's request.  I can 
>>>>> switch it back to the old version if
that's what is needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Stark wrote:
>>>>>> Why was hibernate updated to 3.3.0
in jbossas trunk, and why is 
>>>>>> this pulling in yet another logging
framework? This needs to be 
>>>>>> reverted, and why there has to be
yet another logging framework 
>>>>>> dependency brought in explained.
>>>>>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name ->
Error
>>>>>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear 
>>>>>> ->
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
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>>>>>> jboss-developmentlists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-develop
ment
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------
>>>> Steve Ebersole
>>>>
>>>> Project Lead
>>>> http://hibernate.org
>>>> stevehibernate.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Steve Ebersole
>>
>> Project Lead
>> http://hibernate.org
>> stevehibernate.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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