Re: hibernate 3.3.0 upgrade, slf4j introduction into jbossas

Well, that's a good project, but bytecode weaving seems like
a pretty 
heavy-duty solution to a simple problem.

The basic problem is, people (within JBoss and without) are
going to use 
the frameworks they're going to use.  How much effort is it
to adapt 
log2log (which has already run into some interesting
technical dilemmas) to 
another framework, versus just adding another API facade? 
It seems like 
the microcontainer arch would be perfectly suited towards
auto-wiring the 
appropriate logging API.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could say, "deploy your app
in JBossAS/JBossMC 
and it will *just work*, regardless of what logging
frameworks are being 
used by what"?

- DML

On 05/02/2008 01:41 PM, Ales Justin wrote:
> What about if we used this:
>  - https://svn
.jboss.org/repos/log2log/trunk
> with-in one of our deployers, and you could mark
certain deployments as 
> being 'dragged' through Log2Log to 'clean-up' logging?
> 
> Steve Ebersole wrote:
>> I apologize for the tone in my last response.  The
original thread was 
>> frustrating enough, and here it is being relived. 
I let that 
>> frustration get to me when I should not have.
>>
>> On May 2, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot help that AS seems to think that every
piece of technology 
>>> needs to be complete re-written in house. 
Y'all have you're own 
>>> logging framework, great, add it to the other
50 out there.
>>>
>>> The part that you are missing is that Hibernate
is first and foremost 
>>> a standalone library.  And in terms of
integration, I have to 
>>> consider integration with many containers.  I'm
sure they all want 
>>> jboss-logging as the 'yet another logging api'
in their environments 
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> I used to use commons-logging which had a very
specific problem that 
>>> slf4j solves in a unique way *on any
platform*...
>>>
>>> If you recall, I asked about experiences using
jboss-logging in 
>>> environments other than within JBoss AS and (in
keeping with the 
>>> general theme of that thread) got no replies to
the question asked: 
>>> http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/jboss-d
evelopment/2007-July/010398.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 2, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Scott Stark
wrote:
>>>
>>>> And we said sure, introduce yet another
logging api?
>>>>
>>>> Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>>>> I initiated that very discussion on
this very list almost a year 
>>>>> ago ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Paul Gier
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I upgraded this based on JBAS-5133
and Steve's request.  I can 
>>>>>> switch it back to the old version
if that's what is needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott Stark wrote:
>>>>>>> Why was hibernate updated to
3.3.0 in jbossas trunk, and why is 
>>>>>>> this pulling in yet another
logging framework? This needs to be 
>>>>>>> reverted, and why there has to
be yet another logging framework 
>>>>>>> dependency brought in
explained.
>>>>>>> *** CONTEXTS IN ERROR: Name
-> Error
>>>>>>>
vfsfile:/media/disk/workspace/tck5/jboss-5.0.0.CR1/server/ct
s/tmp/jsr88/ejb3_annotations_entity_vehicles.ear 
>>>>>>> ->
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/slf4j/LoggerFactory
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> stevehibernate.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: hibernate 3.3.0 upgrade, slf4j introduction into jbossas

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