I understand what you are saying. I really do. (and I
understand you
were trying to be enabling last time).
So let me ask you this. Take a look at the growing list
of projects
using slf4j. What happens when y'all want to bundle one of
them that
does not have close ties to JBoss? Are you going to demand
that they
use jboss-logging? Are you going to refuse to use it and
rewrite that
functionality when they say "thanks but no
thanks"? What about other
common libraries? CGIB? I agreed to allow Javassist to be
used for
Hibernate's bytecode manipulation requirements because it
made
*technical* sense. But this logging discussion seems oddly
very un-
technical.
On May 5, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Jason T. Greene wrote:
> Steve Ebersole wrote:
>> <quote>
>> The world if bigger than Hibernate
>> </quote>
>> True, and you know what... the word is bigger than
JBoss AS. As I
>> have mentioned numerous times, it is extremely
arrogant and "ivory
>> tower"-ish to expect all libraries you want to
consume into AS to
>> comply with your logging requirement.
>> And honestly, this whole thread shows the issues
with attempting to
>> integrate with AS imo. Namely almost a year ago I
cam on this list
>> and asked about this very thing we are now
disucssing. And none of
>> you wanted to discuss it (oh some came and gave
their opinions on
>> topics other than the question asked, sure...).
Yet here y'all are
>> a year later willing to discuss it and chastized me
and so on and
>> so forth. An ounce of prevention... But no (and
not to single
>> *you* out, though you certainly fall into this)
you'd rather bash
>> people after the fact as opposed to discuss before
hand and come to
>> a consensus. And *thats* why this is so
frustrating.
>
> Hey I tried to be helpful!  I even
wrote code to help jboss-
> logging fit your needs. I don't see any reason why it
can't be used
> outside of the AS. If it couldn't be, I would consider
that a bug.
>
> It is true that sl4j might be better, but IMO we really
should try
> and pick one universal log adapter framework. Else
integration is a
> mess (it already is).
>
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