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Extension for XEP-0045 ?
country flaguser name
Germany
2007-12-10 15:23:24
Hello,
after some time in the jabberjaaber.org channel I notice
that many
different clients have this problem.
Maybe a addition to XEP-45 or some other specification could
solve this
problem. How? I don't know. ;)
(Or there is a specification and I couldn't found it)

1) I connect to conference room
2) all works normal
3) server drops the connection or other things happens on
the server
side

4) I am now in a ghost room, I can't send messages any
longer.
Sometimes, when the server drops the connection completly,
my cleint
regognize this and try a reconnect. The client reconnect,
but to a room
with 1 or 2 users.

Some signal from the server would be usefull if the server
reconnect
or/and a general guideline how client can handle this.

Peter



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Re: Extension for XEP-0045 ?
country flaguser name
United States
2007-12-11 17:29:25
Peter Flindt wrote:
> Hello,
> after some time in the jabberjaaber.org channel I notice
that many
> different clients have this problem.
> Maybe a addition to XEP-45 or some other specification
could solve this
> problem. How? I don't know. ;)
> (Or there is a specification and I couldn't found it)
> 
> 1) I connect to conference room
> 2) all works normal
> 3) server drops the connection or other things happens
on the server
> side
> 
> 4) I am now in a ghost room, I can't send messages any
longer.
> Sometimes, when the server drops the connection
completly, my cleint
> regognize this and try a reconnect. The client
reconnect, but to a room
> with 1 or 2 users.
> 
> Some signal from the server would be usefull if the
server reconnect
> or/and a general guideline how client can handle this.

Do you see this problem on other servers/chatrooms, for
example if you
join a room on jabber.ru? I think this may be related to
downtime
(server restarts) at jabber.org. If you are in the room when
the
jabber.org server is restarted, then your client may not
receive
unavailable presence from the room. In this case, support
for XEP-0198
would probably help, but only if your server is smart about
how it
handles bounced packets. And your server won't even know
there is a
problem unless you (or someone else who uses your server)
tries to send
a message to jabber.org. At least your client tries to
reconnect (to the
room or to the jabber.org server, i.e., where is your
account?) when it
receives a bounced message. If the jabber.org server was
restarted then
you will return to a room with 1 or 2 users because everyone
else was
disconnected and they have not reconnected yet.

I need to think about this some more to know if XEP-0198
will solve the
problem. In fact there are probably server problems here...

Peter

-- 
Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/


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Re: Extension for XEP-0045 ?
country flaguser name
Germany
2007-12-12 11:10:52
Peter Saint-Andre wrote at 12.12.2007 :
> Peter Flindt wrote:
>> Hello,
>> after some time in the jabberjaaber.org channel I notice
that many
>> different clients have this problem.
>> Maybe a addition to XEP-45 or some other
specification could solve this
>> problem. How? I don't know. ;)
>> (Or there is a specification and I couldn't found
it)
>> 
>> 1) I connect to conference room
>> 2) all works normal
>> 3) server drops the connection or other things
happens on the server
>> side
>> 
>> 4) I am now in a ghost room, I can't send messages
any longer.
>> Sometimes, when the server drops the connection
completly, my cleint
>> regognize this and try a reconnect. The client
reconnect, but to a room
>> with 1 or 2 users.
>> 
>> Some signal from the server would be usefull if the
server reconnect
>> or/and a general guideline how client can handle
this.

> Do you see this problem on other servers/chatrooms, for
example if you
> join a room on jabber.ru? I think this may be related
to downtime
> (server restarts) at jabber.org. If you are in the room
when the
> jabber.org server is restarted, then your client may
not receive
> unavailable presence from the room. In this case,
support for XEP-0198
> would probably help, but only if your server is smart
about how it
> handles bounced packets. And your server won't even
know there is a
> problem unless you (or someone else who uses your
server) tries to send
> a message to jabber.org. At least your client tries to
reconnect (to the
> room or to the jabber.org server, i.e., where is your
account?) when it
> receives a bounced message. If the jabber.org server
was restarted then
> you will return to a room with 1 or 2 users because
everyone else was
> disconnected and they have not reconnected yet.

> I need to think about this some more to know if
XEP-0198 will solve the
> problem. In fact there are probably server problems
here...

> Peter
Yes, I have this problem on all servers, tested with rooms
on
jabber,org, jabber.ru, jabbim.com, jabber.ccc.de it make no
differents.
(Tested with Login server jabber.org, jabber.ru and
jabbim.com)

Yes, this XEP-0198 seems to be the right way, bit I am not
sure if this
really fix the problems:
a) I see the room and the users, but my messages are not
send to the
room.
b)or I reconnect to a room and the room is empty.

I must admit, I compare a jabber room a little bit with a
IRC channel
and I never have similiar problems with an IRC channel. ;)

Peter



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