Re: Advertising xmpp (was: Web interface)

2008/1/3, Samuel Penn <samglendale.org.uk>:
> On Wednesday 02 January 2008 20:17:38 Thomas Charron
wrote:
> >   'Web' is a laymans term for HTTP transporting
HTML.  I'd personally
> > say that Jabber is also a laymans term for the use
of the XMPP
> > protocol, and the use of XMPP servers.
>
> Very (very) vaguely related to this, how do people
advertise their
> XMPP address? My signature (see below) mentions
"IM (Jabber)", since
> I figure more people will know what that means than
XMPP.
>
> In the past, I've used various combinations of IM,
Jabber, GTalk
> and XMPP to identify that my email address is also an
IM address,
> but is there a recommended way of identifying it as
such?

There isn't and that sucks. It sucks that there is no good
brand that
can be used to advertise your XMPP contact ID. The sooner
this bug is
fixed, the better B-)

> I've
> never seen people like Google (do any other popular
services use
> XMPP for public use?) actually identify their service
as being
> XMPP outside of technical descriptions, so I doubt the
term is
> widely recognised even by those who might use it. So
though XMPP
> may be the technically correct term, is it an ideal
one?
>
> Looking at recent emails on this list, I can only see
one other
> person (Tomasz Sterna) who even mentions IM in their
signature,
> and he lists it as XMPP.
>
> So, assuming you weren't worried about privacy, what
terminology
> would people recommend?

The Add Contact dialog in Coccinella currently looks like
this:
Chat system: <dropdown list>
Contact ID: <field>

The dropdown list contains Jabber (default), MSN, ICQ,
Yahoo, AIM, and so forth.

If the XSF is not able to create a good brand (replacement)
we'll
probably rename "Jabber" into "Normal"
or something like that. Of
course this change in Coccinella will not contribute to XMPP
branding
and we would like to avoid this. But if no good brand can
be
established we have to do this as we want to make Coccinella
as
userfriendly as possible ("Jabber" is not
userfriendly as it is not a
well-known brand amongst grandmothers  )

/me pings XSF people

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On Thu, January 3, 2008 18:19, Sander Devrieze wrote:
> 2008/1/3, Samuel Penn <samglendale.org.uk>:
>> In the past, I've used various combinations of IM,
Jabber, GTalk
>> and XMPP to identify that my email address is also
an IM address,
>> but is there a recommended way of identifying it as
such?
>

First off, thanks for all the replies. I do like having a
single identification that works for both email and IM
(and would like it even better if OpenID also used an
email-like format), but it means there's no information in
my
address for people to guess than a simple IM: tag means
XMPP.

I do have more explanatory details buried on my website,
and unburying them a bit might be an idea.

> There isn't and that sucks. It sucks that there is no
good brand that
> can be used to advertise your XMPP contact ID. The
sooner this bug is
> fixed, the better B-)

Now to this particular point. Microsoft gained ground in
the
IM space initially by bundling it with Windows and
prompting
people to sign up on installation. Has anyone tried talking
to people like Ubuntu/RedHat etc to do something similar?
The
Linux desktop market isn't large, but it's one where open
IM
standards might be looked on favourably by the companies
concerned.

I've never really used the Mac, so no idea if Apple have
their
own standard.

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Be seeing you,            http://www.glendale.org.uk

Sam.                      xmpp:samglendale.org.uk


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