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Facelt IDE article (was RE: Re: calling authors)
user name
 2006-10-26 11:36:56 

  


  

    The upcoming version of netbeans has built in facelets 
support, but I haven't tried it yet. there was some posting on this list about 
working out bugs since it's in beta...

 


Frank 
Russo
Senior Developer
FX Alliance, LLC


 






From: Kito D. Mann [mailto:kmannvirtua.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:05 PM
To: 
usersfacelets.dev.java.net
Cc: kgalligangmail.com
Subject: 
Facelt IDE article (was RE: Re: calling authors)






  
 

  

  
I think the wiki depends on the type of content.  This is the kind 
  of thing that would work fairly well. ; Let's say I write and article 
  about working with facelets in the Bea tool, and two weeks after its done, Bea 
  adds facelets support natively.  The article is now pretty useless.  
  Also, I've tried other jsf editors (Sun, IBM's RAD, Oracle), but I wouldn't 
  say I understand them enough to give them a fair shake with standard JSF, much 
  less how to code facelets in these tools.   

  
 


I 
think you're right -- some content needs to be alive. I don't think that 
necessarily implies a wiki though; that just implies that the content needs to 
be updated. A wiki implies collaboration -- how important do you think that is 
for content on JSF Central?



  
  

Personally, I thought the Bea tool 
  killed all of them, but that's probably because I'm more of a coder and less 
  of a drag and drop kind of person.  So, if the article would attempt to 
  compare all JSF tools, it would be much larger scope and very biased (if I 
  wrote it). 

Another option, at least for the immediate term, would be 
  to come up with a list of the tools to cover, come up with a template of what 
  should be covered, and find people better versed in those tools.  This 
  way we cover more ground, in better detail, in a shorter period of time, and 
  hopefully if the different contributors stick to the template, the comparison 
  should be fairly cohesive.  I could start with a few of the tools I know 
  well and come up with something to start with. 

But again, this started 
  as a facelets tool discussion.  I'm assuming something like the RAD or 
  Oracle tool don't support facelets at all.  Yes? 

  
 


 You're right -- IBM has no plans to support Facelets right now (according 
to the project manager). Oracle might one day, though, since Adam Winer from 
Oracle is a Facelets committer.

JSf Central will 
be publishing a general IDE comparison soon, so let's take a step back. I 
think the number of tools that can work with Facelets is pretty small right 
now -- Exadel studio, BEA (with workarounds), plain Eclipse (with 
workarounds), and what else? 



  
On 10/23/06, Kito D. 
  Mann < kmannvirtua.com">kmannvirtua.com> 
  wrote:

  

    

    
I like 
    the idea of a comparison and how-to. "Known Issues" is probably something 
    that would be woven into both the comparison and how to.

    
 

    
Do you 
    guys think it JSF Central should have wiki features for portions of 
    articles, etc.?

    
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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    D. Mann (virtua.com" 
    target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com)
Author, JavaServer Faces in 
    Action
http://www.virtua.com - 
    JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring
http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, news, 
    and info
phone: +1 203-653-2989
fax: +1 203-653-2988 

    
 


    

      

      

      From: Kevin Galligan 
      [mailto:gmail.com" target=_blank>kgalligangmail.com] 
      
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:13 AM
To: facelets.dev.java.net" 
      target=_blank>usersfacelets.dev.java.net
Subject: 
      Re: Re: calling authors


      

      
It does lend itself to a wiki format, but I don't know that 
      we'd be able to do that on jsfcentral.  The article is likely to get 
      out of date relatively quickly.


      
On 10/23/06, Jesse 
      Alexander (KSFD 121) <credit-suisse.com" 
      target=_blank>alexander.jessecredit-suisse.com>; wrote: 
      

        

        
Think it should 
        be a comparison, or just "how-to" on setting up the environment and 
        coding? 
Comparision 

        
  AND 

        
How 
        To 

        
  AND 

        
Known issues

        
 

        
The 
        HowTo could also be just a wiki-page, so others could comment 
        it

        
 

        
regards

        
Alexander


        

        

        From: Kevin Galligan [mailto:gmail.com" target=_blank>kgalligangmail.com] 
        
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:19 
        PM
To: facelets.dev.java.net" 
        target=_blank>usersfacelets.dev.java.net 
Subject: 
        Re: calling authors


        

        
I could take a shot at the IDE article.&nbsp; I've personally 
        used exadel and the BEA tool (with my hacky plugin), but have evaluated 
        several other tools for use with general JSF work.

Can I get a 
        list of tools that should be covered?&nbsp; Of the top of my head I 
        think it would be: 

Tools that include native facelets 
        support:
Exadel, Netbeans (kind of a moving target at this 
        point)

Tools with standard code completion for xml:
Eclipse 
        wtp, Intellij IDEA, others?

Think it should be a comparison, or 
        just "how-to" on setting up the environment and coding? 


        
On 10/20/06, Kito 
        D. Mann <virtua.com" target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com> 
        wrote: 
        

          

          
David,

          
 

          
Well, there are currently three articles: intro, basic 
          usage, and templating and re-use. So, off the top of my head, 
          something about creating tag libraries, IDE integration, or writing 
          TagHandlers would be useful. Also integration topics are good. And, if 
          you can think of anything else that you wish you had seen an article 
          on, that would be good, too.

          
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kito 
          D. Mann (virtua.com" 
          target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com)
Author, JavaServer Faces in 
          Action
http://www.virtua.com 
          - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring
http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, 
          news, and info
phone: +1 203-653-2989
fax: +1 
          203-653-2988 

          
 


          

            

            

            From: gmail.com" 
            target=_blank>turbomanagegmail.com [mailto:gmail.com" target=_blank> 
            turbomanagegmail.com] On Behalf Of David 
            Chandler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:03 
            AM
To: facelets.dev.java.net" 
            target=_blank>usersfacelets.dev.java.net
Subject: Re: 
            calling authors


            

            
I'm interested and a facelets fan. What do you have in 
            mind?

/dmc


            
On 10/20/06, Kito D. Mann <virtua.com" target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com 
            > wrote: 
            

              

              
Hello,

              
 

              
You may have noticed that our 
              Facelets series on JSF Central (http://www.jsfcentral.com/facelets) has been 
              quite popular. I'd like to extend the series, but I think Jacob is 
              a bit sick of writing for us right now . Anyone else 
              interested?

              
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kito 
              D. Mann (virtua.com" 
              target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com)
Author, JavaServer Faces in 
              Action
http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, 
              training, and mentoring
http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces 
              FAQ, news, and info

              
 



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    Facelt IDE article (was RE: Re: calling
authors)
  


  

     user name

     2006-10-26 14:05:46
  


  

    

  


  

    Woops -- forgot about that one .

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kito 
D. Mann (kmannvirtua.com)
Author, JavaServer Faces in Action
http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE 
consulting, training, and mentoring
http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer 
Faces FAQ, news, and info


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  From: Frank Russo 
  [mailto:frank.russoFXALL.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 
  7:37 AM
To: usersfacelets.dev.java.net
Subject: RE: 
  Facelt IDE article (was RE: Re: calling authors)


  

  
The upcoming version of netbeans has built in facelets 
  support, but I haven't tried it yet. there was some posting on this list about 
  working out bugs since it's in beta...

  
 

  
Frank 
  Russo
Senior Developer
FX 
  Alliance, LLC

  
 


  

  

  From: Kito D. Mann [mailto:kmannvirtua.com] 
  
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:05 PM
To: 
  usersfacelets.dev.java.net
Cc: 
  kgalligangmail.com
Subject: Facelt IDE article (was RE: Re: calling 
  authors)


  

  

    
 

    

    
I think the wiki depends on the type of content.&nbsp; This is the kind 
    of thing that would work fairly well. ; Let's say I write and article 
    about working with facelets in the Bea tool, and two weeks after its done, 
    Bea adds facelets support natively.&nbsp; The article is now pretty 
    useless.&nbsp; Also, I've tried other jsf editors (Sun, IBM's RAD, Oracle), 
    but I wouldn't say I understand them enough to give them a fair shake with 
    standard JSF, much less how to code facelets in these tools.&nbsp; &nbsp;

    
 

  
I 
  think you're right -- some content needs to be alive. I don't think that 
  necessarily implies a wiki though; that just implies that the content needs to 
  be updated. A wiki implies collaboration -- how important do you think that is 
  for content on JSF Central?

  

    
 &nbsp;

Personally, I thought the Bea tool 
    killed all of them, but that's probably because I'm more of a coder and less 
    of a drag and drop kind of person.&nbsp; So, if the article would attempt to 
    compare all JSF tools, it would be much larger scope and very biased (if I 
    wrote it). 

Another option, at least for the immediate term, would be 
    to come up with a list of the tools to cover, come up with a template of 
    what should be covered, and find people better versed in those tools.&nbsp; 
    This way we cover more ground, in better detail, in a shorter period of 
    time, and hopefully if the different contributors stick to the template, the 
    comparison should be fairly cohesive.&nbsp; I could start with a few of the 
    tools I know well and come up with something to start with. 

But 
    again, this started as a facelets tool discussion.  I'm assuming 
    something like the RAD or Oracle tool don't support facelets at all.  
    Yes? 

    
 

  
 You're right -- IBM has no plans to support Facelets right now 
  (according to the project manager). Oracle might one day, though, since Adam 
  Winer from Oracle is a Facelets committer.

JSf Central 
  will be publishing a general IDE comparison soon, so let's take a step 
  back. I think the number of tools that can work with Facelets is pretty 
  small right now -- Exadel studio, BEA (with workarounds), plain Eclipse 
  (with workarounds), and what else? 

  

    
On 10/23/06, Kito D. 
    Mann < kmannvirtua.com">kmannvirtua.com> 
    wrote:

    

      

      
I like 
      the idea of a comparison and how-to. "Known Issues" is probably something 
      that would be woven into both the comparison and how 
      to.

      
 

      
Do you 
      guys think it JSF Central should have wiki features for portions of 
      articles, etc.?

      
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kito 
      D. Mann (virtua.com" 
      target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com)
Author, JavaServer Faces in 
      Action
http://www.virtua.com - 
      JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring
http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, news, 
      and info
phone: +1 203-653-2989
fax: +1 203-653-2988 

      
 


      

        

        

        From: Kevin Galligan 
        [mailto:gmail.com" target=_blank>kgalligangmail.com] 
        
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:13 AM
To: facelets.dev.java.net" 
        target=_blank>usersfacelets.dev.java.net
Subject: 
        Re: Re: calling authors


        

        
It does lend itself to a wiki format, but I don't know that 
        we'd be able to do that on jsfcentral.  The article is likely to 
        get out of date relatively quickly.


        
On 10/23/06, Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121) <credit-suisse.com" 
        target=_blank>alexander.jessecredit-suisse.com>; wrote: 
        

          

          
Think it 
          should be a comparison, or just "how-to" on setting up the environment 
          and coding? 
Comparision 

          
  AND 

          
How To 

          
  AND 

          
Known issues

          
 

          
The HowTo could also be just a wiki-page, so others could 
          comment it

          
 

          
regards

          
Alexander


          

          

          From: Kevin Galligan [mailto:gmail.com" 
          target=_blank>kgalligangmail.com] 
Sent: 
          Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:19 PM
To: facelets.dev.java.net" 
          target=_blank>usersfacelets.dev.java.net 
          
Subject: Re: calling 
authors


          

          
I could take a shot at the IDE article.&nbsp; I've 
          personally used exadel and the BEA tool (with my hacky plugin), but 
          have evaluated several other tools for use with general JSF 
          work.

Can I get a list of tools that should be covered?&nbsp; 
          Of the top of my head I think it would be: 

Tools that include 
          native facelets support:
Exadel, Netbeans (kind of a moving target 
          at this point)

Tools with standard code completion for 
          xml:
Eclipse wtp, Intellij IDEA, others?

Think it should be 
          a comparison, or just "how-to" on setting up the environment and 
          coding? 


          
On 10/20/06, Kito D. Mann <virtua.com" target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com> 
          wrote: 
          

            

            
David,

            
 

            
Well, there are currently three articles: intro, basic 
            usage, and templating and re-use. So, off the top of my head, 
            something about creating tag libraries, IDE integration, or writing 
            TagHandlers would be useful. Also integration topics are good. And, 
            if you can think of anything else that you wish you had seen an 
            article on, that would be good, too.

            
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kito 
            D. Mann (virtua.com" 
            target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com)
Author, JavaServer Faces in 
            Action
http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, 
            training, and mentoring
http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, 
            news, and info
phone: +1 203-653-2989
fax: +1 
            203-653-2988 

            
 


            

              

              

              From: gmail.com" 
              target=_blank>turbomanagegmail.com [mailto:gmail.com" target=_blank> 
              turbomanagegmail.com] On Behalf Of David 
              Chandler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:03 
              AM
To: facelets.dev.java.net" 
              target=_blank>usersfacelets.dev.java.net
Subject: 
              Re: calling authors


              

              
I'm interested and a facelets fan. What do you have in 
              mind?

/dmc


              
On 10/20/06, Kito D. Mann <virtua.com" target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com 
              > wrote: 
              

                

                
Hello,

                
 

                
You may have noticed that our 
                Facelets series on JSF Central (http://www.jsfcentral.com/facelets) has been 
                quite popular. I'd like to extend the series, but I think Jacob 
                is a bit sick of writing for us right now . Anyone else 
                interested?

                
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kito 
                D. Mann (virtua.com" 
                target=_blank>kmannvirtua.com)
Author, JavaServer Faces 
                in Action
http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE 
                consulting, training, and mentoring
http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces 
                FAQ, news, and info

                
 



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