OT RE: Juniper Newbie Question re: Vendors

Someone took offense at my posting about sales critters who
troll technical mailing lists for sales leads.  Delete now
if you don't want to send a message to these people that
this is extremely impolite and totally unacceptable.  I have
deleted his name, since this was sent in private.  The
person who sent it claims he has "never solicited for
business on this list."  So, he's not the type of
person I
called slimy.


>>> Cisco vs. Juniper differences. I can't seem to
 find a
<snip>
>>> who the standard vendors are for such items. If
 anyone
>>> has positive experiences with a great vendor to
share,
>>> please  let me know. Thanks!


>> If anyone approaches you to sell you stuff based on
your
>> email to the list, I'd buy elsewhere.  This is
just about
>> inviting every salesslime lurking on the list to
attack
>> you with offers.  The only thing those folks
understand
is
>> immediate financial consequence.


> I take great offence from you e-mail, I am in product
> management for a resellar and have never solicited for
> business on this list.
> 
> There are many very professional sales people who
> generally work very hard for their customers and take a
> long term partnership view with their customers. All
> business exist to make profit, or else they wouldn't
be in
> business. 
> 
> If it wasn't for competition amongst sales people and
> resellars, you would be paying list prices from the
> manufactures. It is the competition in the channel that
> drives down the prices you pay as an end user and that
> alone.
> 
> It is the manufactures who are about immediate
financial
> gain. I have worked for Notel and Cisco and know the
sales
> people in the manufactures are far less concerned about
> your business than the people you are calling slime.


Anyone who trolls technical mailing lists for sales leads is
being **VERY** impolite.  In the past I have posted one
question to a technical mailing list and 5-6 sales trolls
pounded me with 20+ emails and innumerable phone calls
trying to sell me stuff.  That was for ONE posting!  None of
them would take no for an answer, so I quit corresponding
with them.  However, it took 2 weeks for them to stop
spamming me.  Now, I just block them immediately.  It makes
it intolerable to post to a technical mailing list when this
happens.  Further, it's probably against the AUP of the
list.

To be clear, when I post to a technical mailing list and am
sent Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) trying to sell me
things the sender is nothing more than a slimy spammer.

scott


















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I think that someone out there needs to get a little
perspective and
understand that some of his colleagues are a tad less
scrupulous.  We
don't generalize and neither should you.

Tony


Scott Weeks wrote:
> 
> Someone took offense at my posting about sales critters
who
> troll technical mailing lists for sales leads.  Delete
now
> if you don't want to send a message to these people
that
> this is extremely impolite and totally unacceptable.  I
have
> deleted his name, since this was sent in private.  The
> person who sent it claims he has "never solicited
for
> business on this list."  So, he's not the type
of person I
> called slimy.
> 
> 
>>>> Cisco vs. Juniper differences. I can't
seem to  find a
> <snip>
>>>> who the standard vendors are for such
items. If  anyone
>>>> has positive experiences with a great
vendor to share,
>>>> please  let me know. Thanks!
> 
> 
>>> If anyone approaches you to sell you stuff
based on your
>>> email to the list, I'd buy elsewhere.  This is
just about
>>> inviting every salesslime lurking on the list
to attack
>>> you with offers.  The only thing those folks
understand
> is
>>> immediate financial consequence.
> 
> 
>> I take great offence from you e-mail, I am in
product
>> management for a resellar and have never solicited
for
>> business on this list.
>>
>> There are many very professional sales people who
>> generally work very hard for their customers and
take a
>> long term partnership view with their customers.
All
>> business exist to make profit, or else they
wouldn't be in
>> business. 
>>
>> If it wasn't for competition amongst sales people
and
>> resellars, you would be paying list prices from the
>> manufactures. It is the competition in the channel
that
>> drives down the prices you pay as an end user and
that
>> alone.
>>
>> It is the manufactures who are about immediate
financial
>> gain. I have worked for Notel and Cisco and know
the sales
>> people in the manufactures are far less concerned
about
>> your business than the people you are calling
slime.
> 
> 
> Anyone who trolls technical mailing lists for sales
leads is
> being **VERY** impolite.  In the past I have posted one
> question to a technical mailing list and 5-6 sales
trolls
> pounded me with 20+ emails and innumerable phone calls
> trying to sell me stuff.  That was for ONE posting! 
None of
> them would take no for an answer, so I quit
corresponding
> with them.  However, it took 2 weeks for them to stop
> spamming me.  Now, I just block them immediately.  It
makes
> it intolerable to post to a technical mailing list when
this
> happens.  Further, it's probably against the AUP of
the
> list.
> 
> To be clear, when I post to a technical mailing list
and am
> sent Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) trying to sell
me
> things the sender is nothing more than a slimy spammer.
> 
> scott
> 
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