Hi, guys. Due to peer pressure  , I have
just committed the initial
implementation of SVG theme loading in KMines.
Dirk wrote:
> I like it, but I think in case of KMines it's important
to keep
> something "classic". Although different
themes may be overhead.
I agree with Dirk here. The initial theme I checked in is
just the SVG
version of the current KDE3 implementation, see a ref (PNG)
showing
current elements (including those drawn by code) and the SVG
elements
that will replace them at
http
://www.tabuleiro.com/mauricio/ref_kmines.png
Only the main components are currently customizable. I am
still
undecided about text and fonts, as the current code uses the
system
default, which appears to be the right thing to do. The
status/score
widgets are not customizable right now.
The SVG is available in KDE SVN if people want to start
playing with it.
Some more elements will be required (outer field frame,
background,
score areas) and I will add them when the code is ready for
it.
Johann wrote:
>> What do you think about something like that (made
in few minutes, just to
>> see)??
>>
>> http://johann.pwsp.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/0
2/kmine-test.png
It looks nice, specially the smiley. However, I believe the
clickable
areas need to have some depth, in order to differentiate
between clicked
(cleared) and non-explored areas.
Also, the smiley is currently a button that also restarts
the game. This
needs to be considered, or we can think about changing this
behavior.
Regarding the timer, I am all for removing the current
KGameLCD
implementations, but this needs to be worked in code before
I can
implement it in art.
I am not certain about the background. It looks great on
this particular
mockup and proportions, but KMines can have different board
sizes and
dimensions, so we would need to find something that works
always.
Also, I (or someone) need to implement the code for
displaying the
background. And not only for displaying, but specially for
configuring
it, loading a theme, etc. Code hacking is also needed in
order for the
current status/score widgets and central field frame to be
customizable.
I am raising these points because I believe we are getting
slightly
ahead of the current state of the game code. Do not read me
wrong, I am
all for prototyping, but someone needs to actually implement
the design,
make sure nothing breaks ,and emulation of the classic look
is possible.
I am planning to do this, but with no pressure.
Ian wrote:
>Couldn't open the .svgz file properly (broken image),
but it looks
>as if you are getting somewhere, judging from your
notes. It really
>is vital that you make contact with Mauricio before
going much
>further, if you have not already done so.
I could not view the SVG file posted by Matt. Inkscape does
not include
the referenced local PNGs when you save the file, this has
bitten me
before as well. That is why I posted a screenshot of the SVG
file
previously in this message.
But Matt, you can now get the kmines_classic.svgz file from
KDE SVN, and
maybe develop an alternative version for KDE4. As I
mentioned before,
some interface elements are not (yet) customizable, but the
basic ones
are there, smileys, bombs, cells. Feel free to experiment
with it. And
as an added bonus you can simply save over your installed
KDE4 copy of
the theme file and preview the results in-game, as the code
commited
today is already using it.
Ian wrote:
>You don't want to be working at cross-purposes with him
and
>it is part of our etiquette that you should always
check with the
>maintainer or author. That's why we have our
maintainers' list.
>Integrating graphics with a game needs to be a
co-operative
>effort between artist and programmer, I believe.
Don't worry, I was really needing a push in order to commit
the partial
stuff I had. But I agree that we need artists, and we need
to make sure
the programs can accomodate to the needs of the theme
designer. But
currently there are limits to this, as some code is at
almost 10 years
old, and not designed for it. Hopefully we will be able to
use very
flexible theming in the near future, so something like
Johann's proposal
should be possible with only a SVG file and some metadata in
a .desktop
file. We are not there yet, though
Regards,
Mauricio Piacentini
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