Mechanism that mounts USB flashdrives

I have been having some trouble mounting flash drives under
KDE on some 
computers.  My desktop boxes nicely pop up a "USB
Stick" Icon when I 
insert a USB memory stick, but my HP Pavilion laptop
doesn't.  They both 
have:

Fedora Core 4 with latest updates.
2.6.17 Kernel
KDE 3.5.3

The USB stick does get recognized by the kernel according to

/var/log/messages and I can manually mount it but no USB
Stick Icon 
appears on the desktop as it does on my Desktop machines.

I would like to understand the mechanism that does this
whole thing.  I 
presume its a HAL function that passes the information to
some KDE 
daemon but I'm not sure. Where are the config files that
define where 
the mount point is located, where the file for the Icon is
located, etc. 
  From start to finish I would like to understand the whole
process if 
anyone is patient enough to clue me in or point me to a FAQ
somewhere 
that explains how it all works under KDE.

Thank you very much

Doug Phillipson
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I've just compiled KDE 3.5.4 on my new whizzbang AMD x86_64
box. 
Everything is great except fonts which are lousy (they look
thin and 
unhealthy). I remember a long time ago when this happened I
had to 
re-install 2 components - 1 was fontconfig, I can't
remember what the 
other was. Any suggestions ?
thanks
Rod
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> From start to finish I would like to understand the
whole process if
> anyone is patient enough to clue me in or point me to a
FAQ somewhere
> that explains how it all works under KDE.

I would really like to know this stuff, too.  I have looked
around but
haven't been able to find this information, and have been
rather
frustrated by it at times.

However, I suspect this is a base OS issue, and not related
to KDE
directly.  No?

Dave
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On Tuesday 08 August 2006 19:31, David J Iannucci wrote:
> > From start to finish I would like to understand
the whole process if
> > anyone is patient enough to clue me in or point me
to a FAQ somewhere
> > that explains how it all works under KDE.
>
> I would really like to know this stuff, too.  I have
looked around but
> haven't been able to find this information, and have
been rather
> frustrated by it at times.
>
> However, I suspect this is a base OS issue, and not
related to KDE
> directly.  No?

I thought maybe it was something to do with my distro. But I
now have it 
working flawlessly in Gnome. And it still doesn't work in
KDE. I even rebuilt 
all of KDE once I verified that DBUS and HAL were set up
properly to work 
with Gnome. But the KDE control center still has all
HAL-related options 
grayed out. This suggests to me, at the very least, that the
feature is 
poorly implemented in KDE. Either that, or I just hit the
right combination 
for Gnome and the wrong one for KDE out of sheer random
luck.
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On 06/08/09 09:07 (GMT+1000) Rod Butcher apparently typed:

> I've just compiled KDE 3.5.4 on my new whizzbang AMD
x86_64 box. 
> Everything is great except fonts which are lousy (they
look thin and 
> unhealthy). I remember a long time ago when this
happened I had to 
> re-install 2 components - 1 was fontconfig, I can't
remember what the 
> other was. Any suggestions ?

I don't know the answer, but this thread might be useful:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mandrake-Linux/message/1
0498

I've read elsewhere that in kcontrol disabling
anti-aliasing and then
re-enabling it sometimes helps.
-- 
"Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the
proper time
we will reap a harvest if we do not give
up."	Galatians 6:9 NIV

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/
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On 8/9/06, Douglas Phillipson <phillipdoem.doe.gov> wrote:
> I have been having some trouble mounting flash drives
under KDE on some
> computers.  My desktop boxes nicely pop up a "USB
Stick" Icon when I
> insert a USB memory stick, but my HP Pavilion laptop
doesn't.  They both
> have:
>
> Fedora Core 4 with latest updates.
> 2.6.17 Kernel
> KDE 3.5.3
>
> The USB stick does get recognized by the kernel
according to
> /var/log/messages and I can manually mount it but no
USB Stick Icon
> appears on the desktop as it does on my Desktop
machines.
>
> I would like to understand the mechanism that does this
whole thing.  I
> presume its a HAL function that passes the information
to some KDE
> daemon but I'm not sure. Where are the config files
that define where
> the mount point is located, where the file for the Icon
is located, etc.
>   From start to finish I would like to understand the
whole process if
> anyone is patient enough to clue me in or point me to a
FAQ somewhere
> that explains how it all works under KDE.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Doug Phillipson

make sure the 'KDED Media Manager' is running.
configurable in
'control center/KDE Components/Service Manager'

regards, toby
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On Wednesday 09 August 2006 08:51, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:
> On 8/9/06, Douglas Phillipson <phillipdoem.doe.gov> wrote:
> > I have been having some trouble mounting flash
drives under KDE on some
> > computers.  My desktop boxes nicely pop up a
"USB Stick" Icon when I
> > insert a USB memory stick, but my HP Pavilion
laptop doesn't.  They both
> > have:
> >
> > Fedora Core 4 with latest updates.
> > 2.6.17 Kernel
> > KDE 3.5.3
> >
> > The USB stick does get recognized by the kernel
according to
> > /var/log/messages and I can manually mount it but
no USB Stick Icon
> > appears on the desktop as it does on my Desktop
machines.
> >
> > I would like to understand the mechanism that does
this whole thing.  I
> > presume its a HAL function that passes the
information to some KDE
> > daemon but I'm not sure. Where are the config
files that define where
> > the mount point is located, where the file for the
Icon is located, etc.
> >   From start to finish I would like to understand
the whole process if
> > anyone is patient enough to clue me in or point me
to a FAQ somewhere
> > that explains how it all works under KDE.
> >
> > Thank you very much
> >
> > Doug Phillipson
>
> make sure the 'KDED Media Manager' is running.
configurable in
> 'control center/KDE Components/Service Manager'
>
> regards, toby

All of that is running on this end, as is the HAL daemon.
But nothing at all 
happens in KDE when I plug in removeable media. As reported
before. It works 
fine under Gnome, so all of the system components are there
and working. 
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Douglas Phillipson wrote:
> I have been having some trouble mounting flash drives
under KDE on some 
> computers.  My desktop boxes nicely pop up a "USB
Stick" Icon when I 
> insert a USB memory stick, but my HP Pavilion laptop
doesn't.  They both 
> have:
>
> Fedora Core 4 with latest updates.
> 2.6.17 Kernel
> KDE 3.5.3
>
> The USB stick does get recognized by the kernel
according to 
> /var/log/messages and I can manually mount it but no
USB Stick Icon 
> appears on the desktop as it does on my Desktop
machines.
>
> I would like to understand the mechanism that does this
whole thing.  I 
> presume its a HAL function that passes the information
to some KDE 
> daemon but I'm not sure. Where are the config files
that define where 
> the mount point is located, where the file for the Icon
is located, etc. 
>   From start to finish I would like to understand the
whole process if 
> anyone is patient enough to clue me in or point me to a
FAQ somewhere 
> that explains how it all works under KDE.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Doug Phillipson
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>   
Although there were a number of replies to this posting,
none of them 
pointed us "understanding the whole process from start
to finish" which 
is where I would also like to be. Generally it is working OK
now for me 
under Suse 10.1 and KDE 3.5.1 and I am pleased that a
"Safe Remove" 
option has been implemented for these devices. However I
still get 
glitches (eg devices mounted with an owner who is not me and
root not 
being able to change owner!) which make me want to
understand how the 
various system components are interacting and where it is
best to try 
and address problems. Anybody know where the FAQs, Howtos
etc are to be 
found?

Bogus

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On Saturday 12 August 2006 00:55, Bogus Zaba wrote:
> Although there were a number of replies to this
posting, none of them
> pointed us "understanding the whole process from
start to finish" which
> is where I would also like to be.

The reason there is no universal answer is because this is
handled in 
a variety of ways in different Distros.  SuSE's way
generally works and 
has since 8.3.  However SuSE has changed the mechanism at
least twice
since then, and in some cases you still have to manually
hack /etc/fstab.

Other Distros's STILL don't work, even when KDE tries to
make it work.

This is still in flux after all these years, There is no
single standard.

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Jim Philips wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 August 2006 19:31, David J Iannucci
wrote:
>>> From start to finish I would like to understand
the whole process if
>>> anyone is patient enough to clue me in or point
me to a FAQ somewhere
>>> that explains how it all works under KDE.
>> I would really like to know this stuff, too.  I
have looked around but
>> haven't been able to find this information, and
have been rather
>> frustrated by it at times.
>>
>> However, I suspect this is a base OS issue, and not
related to KDE
>> directly.  No?
> 
> I thought maybe it was something to do with my distro.
But I now have it 
> working flawlessly in Gnome. And it still doesn't work
in KDE. I even rebuilt 
> all of KDE once I verified that DBUS and HAL were set
up properly to work 
> with Gnome. But the KDE control center still has all
HAL-related options 
> grayed out. This suggests to me, at the very least,
that the feature is 
> poorly implemented in KDE. Either that, or I just hit
the right combination 
> for Gnome and the wrong one for KDE out of sheer random
luck.

I can't find any good documentation either.  The KDE HOWTO
is very much 
out of date as is another one that I found with Google. 
There is no 
TLDP HOWTO. :-(.

I am afraid that you are correct that this is another
example of KDE 
kicking something out the door in a *stable* release
(nothing wrong with 
doing this if they had development releases like GNOME does)
before it 
was really ready for prime time.

Fortunately, I find that the old style manually created
device icons 
still work perfectly.  So, that is what I did -- switched
back to them.

-- 
JRT
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