KDE 3.5.5, Small browserfonts, too small

KDE 3.5.5
Debian Etch
Nvidia 5200 FX
Iceweasel/firefox 2.0.0.4
1152x86485 Hz

On some Websites (www.t-online.de) the fonts within the
browser-window are terribly small.
I tried to change the fontsize in iceweasel
(properties,settings) also with minimum fontsize and also in
kcontrol (arial, 12pt), gtk fonts.

No matter what I do, the fonts stay small. Only turning the
mouse-whell (strg +  wheel) makes them bigger

Do I have the wrong KDE-settings or is it in iceweasel, but
where?

Seems to be iceweasel, because konqueror is okay.

Thanks for helping 
Max
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Maximilian B. Rost wrote:
> KDE 3.5.5 Debian Etch Nvidia 5200 FX Iceweasel/firefox
2.0.0.4 
> 1152x86485 Hz
> 
> On some Websites (www.t-online.de) the fonts within
the
> browser-window are terribly small. I tried to change
the fontsize in
> iceweasel (properties,settings) also with minimum
fontsize and also
> in kcontrol (arial, 12pt), gtk fonts.

12pt is small. I think the Firefox "Iceweasel"
default is 16.

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On 2007/07/21 10:18 (GMT+0200) Maximilian B. Rost apparently
typed:

> Iceweasel/firefox 2.0.0.4
> 1152x86485 Hz

> On some Websites (www.t-online.de) the fonts within the
browser-window are terribly small.
> I tried to change the fontsize in iceweasel
(properties,settings) also with minimum fontsize and also in
kcontrol (arial, 12pt), gtk fonts.

> No matter what I do, the fonts stay small. Only turning
the mouse-whell (strg +  wheel) makes them bigger

> Do I have the wrong KDE-settings or is it in iceweasel,
but where?

> Seems to be iceweasel, because konqueror is okay.

That site like many others styles text using px. Your only
defenses against
that belligerence are turning off pages styles for that site
in the browser,
or setting an adequate minimum font size in the browser.
When you find sites
that do that you should complain by pointing their
webmasters to good
practices web sites, such as:

http:/
/www.informationarchitects.jp/100e2r?v=4
http://www.w3.org
/QA/Tips/font-size
htt
p://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html
http:
//www.lighthouse.org/accessibility/top-10/
http://css.n
u/articles/font-analogy.html
http://www.al
istapart.com/articles/dao/
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/fontsize.html

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/essence.html
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/accessibility.html#ieresi
ze
http:/
/mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/bigdefaults.html
http:/
/mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/defaultsize.html
http://www.cameratim.com/personal/soapbox/morons-in-
webspace
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Am Samstag 21 Juli 2007 10:29 schrieb david:
> Maximilian B. Rost wrote:
> > KDE 3.5.5 Debian Etch Nvidia 5200 FX
Iceweasel/firefox 2.0.0.4
> > 1152x86485 Hz
> >
> > On some Websites (www.t-online.de) the fonts
within the
> > browser-window are terribly small. I tried to
change the fontsize in
> > iceweasel (properties,settings) also with minimum
fontsize and also
> > in kcontrol (arial, 12pt), gtk fonts.
>
> 12pt is small. I think the Firefox
"Iceweasel" default is 16.

Thank you.
Yes, but then the vertical spacing is lousy. The text then
is too long for the 
frames or  better the blank vertikal space above is too big
(f. i. 
www.t-online.de)

Greetings 
Max
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Am Samstag 21 Juli 2007 11:28 schrieb Felix Miata:
> On 2007/07/21 10:18 (GMT+0200) Maximilian B. Rost
apparently typed:
> > Iceweasel/firefox 2.0.0.4
> > 1152x86485 Hz
> >
> > On some Websites (www.t-online.de) the fonts
within the browser-window
> > are terribly small. I tried to change the fontsize
in iceweasel
> > (properties,settings) also with minimum fontsize
and also in kcontrol
> > (arial, 12pt), gtk fonts.
> >
> > No matter what I do, the fonts stay small. Only
turning the mouse-whell
> > (strg +  wheel) makes them bigger
> >
> > Do I have the wrong KDE-settings or is it in
iceweasel, but where?
> >
> > Seems to be iceweasel, because konqueror is okay.
>
> That site like many others styles text using px. Your
only defenses against
> that belligerence are turning off pages styles for that
site in the
> browser, or setting an adequate minimum font size in
the browser. When you
> find sites that do that you should complain by pointing
their webmasters to
> good practices web sites, such as:
>
> http:/
/www.informationarchitects.jp/100e2r?v=4
> http://www.w3.org
/QA/Tips/font-size
> htt
p://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html
> http:
//www.lighthouse.org/accessibility/top-10/
> http://css.n
u/articles/font-analogy.html
> http://www.al
istapart.com/articles/dao/
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/fontsize.html

> http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/essence.html
> http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/accessibility.html#ieresi
ze
> http:/
/mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/bigdefaults.html
> http:/
/mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/defaultsize.html
> http://www.cameratim.com/personal/soapbox/morons-in-
webspace

Thank you.
Actually this site also tells me that my browser is not
supported.

Greetings 
Max
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Maximilian B. Rost wrote:
> KDE 3.5.5 Debian Etch Nvidia 5200 FX Iceweasel/firefox
2.0.0.4 
> 1152x86485 Hz
> 
> On some Websites (www.t-online.de) the fonts within the

> browser-window are terribly small. I tried to change
the fontsize in 
> iceweasel (properties,settings) also with minimum
fontsize and also 
> in kcontrol (arial, 12pt), gtk fonts.
> 
> No matter what I do, the fonts stay small. Only turning
the 
> mouse-whell (strg +  wheel) makes them bigger
> 
> Do I have the wrong KDE-settings or is it in iceweasel,
but where?
> 
> Seems to be iceweasel, because konqueror is okay.

In Firefox , goto Edit>Preferences>Content>(Font
& Colors)Advanced.
Set 'Minimum font size' same as 'Size'
Uncheck 'Allow pages to choose their own fonts ....above'
option.
Restart Firefox.

You may see this setting "http://tinyurl.com/29
x393"
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On 2007/07/21 06:29 (GMT-0400) Maximilian apparently typed:

> Actually this site also tells me that my browser is not
supported.

When you find sites that do that you should complain by
pointing their
webmasters to:  http://geckoisgecko.org/

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teaching,
rebuking, correcting, and training in righteoousness."
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Am Samstag 21 Juli 2007 16:30 schrieb Nir:
> Maximilian B. Rost wrote:
> > KDE 3.5.5 Debian Etch Nvidia 5200 FX
Iceweasel/firefox 2.0.0.4
> > 1152x86485 Hz
> >
> > On some Websites (www.t-online.de) the fonts
within the
> > browser-window are terribly small. I tried to
change the fontsize in
> > iceweasel (properties,settings) also with minimum
fontsize and also
> > in kcontrol (arial, 12pt), gtk fonts.
> >
> > No matter what I do, the fonts stay small. Only
turning the
> > mouse-whell (strg +  wheel) makes them bigger
> >
> > Do I have the wrong KDE-settings or is it in
iceweasel, but where?
> >
> > Seems to be iceweasel, because konqueror is okay.
>
> In Firefox , goto
Edit>Preferences>Content>(Font &
Colors)Advanced.
> Set 'Minimum font size' same as 'Size'
> Uncheck 'Allow pages to choose their own fonts
....above' option.
> Restart Firefox.
>
> You may see this setting "http://tinyurl.com/29
x393"

Thank you for showing me the settings. The www.t-online.de
does not bother my 
settings. The fontsize is okay now, but the frames in the
middle-part do not 
correspond to the text. Further more it reports unknown
browser.

Felix Miata wrote interesting comments - see thread.

I followed his advice and sent a mail!

Greetings

Max
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Maximilian wrote:
> Am Samstag 21 Juli 2007 10:29 schrieb david:
>> Maximilian B. Rost wrote:
>>> KDE 3.5.5 Debian Etch Nvidia 5200 FX
Iceweasel/firefox 2.0.0.4
>>> 1152x86485 Hz
>>>
>>> On some Websites (www.t-online.de) the fonts
within the
>>> browser-window are terribly small. I tried to
change the fontsize in
>>> iceweasel (properties,settings) also with
minimum fontsize and also
>>> in kcontrol (arial, 12pt), gtk fonts.
>> 12pt is small. I think the Firefox
"Iceweasel" default is 16.
> 
> Thank you.
> Yes, but then the vertical spacing is lousy. The text
then is too long for the 
> frames or  better the blank vertikal space above is too
big (f. i. 
> www.t-online.de)

They specify all their dimensions in pixels. This is very
rigid - when 
the font size increases, their containers and stay the same
size.

To make it even worse, it fails W3C validation with 206
errors - its a 
mess of HTML 4.01 Transitional with XHTML tag closings and
[[CDATA 
sections. Their CSS is similarly a sea of errors.

No browser can overcome bad design.

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