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2006-12-06 11:48:40
On Monday 09 October 2006 14:18, Richard Dale wrote:
> I found out here:
>
> http://www.thelins.se/johan/2006/10/cross-platf
orm-qt-4-ides.html
>
> That there is a new IDE called QDevelop. I think people
will assume it is a
> Qt only version of KDevelop when in fact it has nothing
to do with KDevelop
> - it will cause confusion and potentially 'dilute our
brand'. If we were a
> company with a registered trade mark we would sue them
or something. But as
> we're a Free Software project there isn't a lot we can
do I suppose.

1. Being a Free Software project is no excuse for not having
a 
trademark; "Linux"(tm) is a trademark in many
countries, so if you feel you 
need such protection go for it

2. I really fail to see whats so unique in
"kdevelop" word that nobody can 
use "[A-Z]develop" from now on; it's obvious that
people will presume its an 
IDE for QT (thats the first thing it crossed my mind) and I
dont see any 
problem with that

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2006-12-06 14:47:46
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 11:48, Dizzy wrote:
> On Monday 09 October 2006 14:18, Richard Dale wrote:
> > I found out here:
> >
> > http://www.thelins.se/johan/2006/10/cross-platf
orm-qt-4-ides.html
> >
> > That there is a new IDE called QDevelop. I think
people will assume it is
> > a Qt only version of KDevelop when in fact it has
nothing to do with
> > KDevelop - it will cause confusion and potentially
'dilute our brand'. If
> > we were a company with a registered trade mark we
would sue them or
> > something. But as we're a Free Software project
there isn't a lot we can
> > do I suppose.
>
> 1. Being a Free Software project is no excuse for not
having a
> trademark; "Linux"(tm) is a trademark in many
countries, so if you feel you
> need such protection go for it
>
> 2. I really fail to see whats so unique in
"kdevelop" word that nobody can
> use "[A-Z]develop" from now on; it's obvious
that people will presume its
> an IDE for QT (thats the first thing it crossed my
mind) and I dont see any
> problem with that
Yes, I think you're right and it doesn't really matter much.
So please ignore 
me on this!

-- Richard

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2006-12-06 17:25:04
> 2. I really fail to see whats so unique in
"kdevelop" word that nobody can
> use "[A-Z]develop" from now on; it's obvious
that people will presume its
> an IDE for QT (thats the first thing it crossed my
mind) and I dont see any
> problem with that
I guess we can close this discussion. "KDevelop"
name is not copyrighted
but to avoid confusion (about source code bases) I've asked
QDevelop 
author to add a paragraph onto the website with explanation
and 
I think that's perfectly enough (see http://www.qdevelop.org/
).

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2006-11-30 04:59:44
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 18:25, Alexander Dymo wrote:
> > 2. I really fail to see whats so unique in
"kdevelop" word that nobody
> > can use "[A-Z]develop" from now on; it's
obvious that people will presume
> > its an IDE for QT (thats the first thing it
crossed my mind) and I dont
> > see any problem with that
>
> I guess we can close this discussion.
"KDevelop" name is not copyrighted
> but to avoid confusion (about source code bases) I've
asked QDevelop
> author to add a paragraph onto the website with
explanation and
> I think that's perfectly enough (see http://www.qdevelop.org/
).

Hi,

I've noticed QDevelop also recently and also fell over the
discussion here. 
I'm not acitve any more because life changes, but on that
issue I'd like to 
throw in at least my input as I started writing KDevelop
from the beginning.

I would like to remind that as soon as you start using a
name, it has the 
legal status like a trademark, you can claim the first use
(and also the 
trademark). So, KDevelop is actually to be seen as a
trademark.

The second thing is, that the KDE e.V. has been
(re)activated to also protect 
the name KDE as a trademark as well as the most important
projects which are 
(loosely) tied to KDE, namely KOffice and KDevelop. So, I
would suggest you 
guys contact the KDE e.V. Board and carry the discussion
over, so we would 
not loose the trademark by knowingly accepting someone else
to use a name 
similar to the trademarked name KDevelop (which is what is
legally happening 
if you get to know someone is potentially violating a
non-trademarked 
trademark).  I'm sure you can get to an agreement with the
author, because it 
is not bad will to ask a name change but to protect the
trademark of KDevelop 
that would otherwise be endangered. Besides that, the
project QDevelop is a 
copy in itself enough that I wouldn't really like someone to
also make the 
name so similar that it really seems to be a 1:1 copy with a
different name. 
Not even The Kompany has been so blunt with their KDE Studio
at the time when 
they tried to make a commercial development environment that
was aimed at 
copying KDevelop's features and look to ride on the work
that free developers 
did for free and make money out of that.

Just in case, I'm CC'ing Eva, so maybe she can add her input
here.

Thanks for listening,

Ralf 
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2006-12-11 08:20:09
Hi Ralph,

what really puzzles me, is that this little thing really
stirs up
KDevelop. Do you fear that QDevelop could displace KDevelop?
Are you
fighting for market shares? Do you claim the invention of
the IDE
itself? So what is the point?

From the point of view of one of your longterm users:

* I choose KDevelop because it is similar (and in the
beginning a copy)
to Microsoft's Developer Studio.

* The Kompany has even been so blunt with their KDE Studio,
to somehow
'copy' that name from Microsoft.

* And I do not have the feeling that I am to stupid to
distinguish
between 2 IDEs, what ever they are named. What really
wonders me that
you guys think your users are.

Ralf, you sound a little bit like magenta [1], don't you
think? It is
hard enough to publish open source software, always in fear
to get
hassled by the attorneys of companies. It is sinister to get
this
pressure from other open source projects.

What's so hard to just accept QDevelop as it is?


Oliver



[1] For all not familiar with German trademark craziness:
'Deutsche
Telekom' claims the color magenta to be it's own. So be
careful using it.

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2006-12-11 11:23:14
On Monday 11 December 2006 08:20, Oliver Eichler wrote:
> Hi Ralph,
>
> what really puzzles me, is that this little thing
really stirs up
> KDevelop. Do you fear that QDevelop could displace
KDevelop? Are you
> fighting for market shares? Do you claim the invention
of the IDE
> itself? So what is the point?
>
> From the point of view of one of your longterm users:
>
> * I choose KDevelop because it is similar (and in the
beginning a copy)
> to Microsoft's Developer Studio.
>
> * The Kompany has even been so blunt with their KDE
Studio, to somehow
> 'copy' that name from Microsoft.
>
> * And I do not have the feeling that I am to stupid to
distinguish
> between 2 IDEs, what ever they are named. What really
wonders me that
> you guys think your users are.
>
> Ralf, you sound a little bit like magenta [1], don't
you think? It is
> hard enough to publish open source software, always in
fear to get
> hassled by the attorneys of companies. It is sinister
to get this
> pressure from other open source projects.
>
> What's so hard to just accept QDevelop as it is?
I think that's what we've agreed to do. KDevelop might be a
project staffed by 
volunteers, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take it
seriously. The issue 
of Visual Studio vs KDE Studio doesn't matter because nobody
is going to 
assume that one is derived from the other. It is only
because the Qt lib is a 
subset of the KDE libs, then you might think that something
named QFoobar is 
related to another project called KFoobar. 

-- Richard

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