Multiple windows saving

KDevelop now saves a position of its window, when there's
one
window. I've tried to test if KDevelop would restore two
windows, if they were open on exit, but I've run into
a fundamental issue -- I cannot exit when there are two
windows
shown -- the "Quit" command in menu will exit only
the current
window. 

Should there be some "Really quit all windows"
command, that
would restore the number of position of all windows, so
that
they are restored on next start?

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On 09.12.07 20:20:35, Vladimir Prus wrote:
> 
> KDevelop now saves a position of its window, when
there's one
> window. I've tried to test if KDevelop would restore
two
> windows, if they were open on exit, but I've run into
> a fundamental issue -- I cannot exit when there are two
windows
> shown -- the "Quit" command in menu will exit
only the current
> window. 
> 
> Should there be some "Really quit all
windows" command, that
> would restore the number of position of all windows, so
that
> they are restored on next start?

No, Quit should quit the application. And in addition we
should have
Close Area which closes just the current mainwindow. IMHO of
course 

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On Sunday 09 December 2007 21:24:31 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> On 09.12.07 20:20:35, Vladimir Prus wrote:
> > 
> > KDevelop now saves a position of its window, when
there's one
> > window. I've tried to test if KDevelop would
restore two
> > windows, if they were open on exit, but I've run
into
> > a fundamental issue -- I cannot exit when there
are two windows
> > shown -- the "Quit" command in menu will
exit only the current
> > window. 
> > 
> > Should there be some "Really quit all
windows" command, that
> > would restore the number of position of all
windows, so that
> > they are restored on next start?
> 
> No, Quit should quit the application. And in addition
we should have
> Close Area which closes just the current mainwindow.
IMHO of course 

Excellent. In fact I'm of the same mind  If there
are no objections
I'll see about making quit really quit.

Should Alt-F4 ask if just the mainwindow, or entire
application should
be closed? I'm really not sure.

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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:29:14 am Vladimir Prus wrote:
> On Sunday 09 December 2007 21:24:31 Andreas Pakulat
wrote:
> > On 09.12.07 20:20:35, Vladimir Prus wrote:
> > > KDevelop now saves a position of its window,
when there's one
> > > window. I've tried to test if KDevelop would
restore two
> > > windows, if they were open on exit, but I've
run into
> > > a fundamental issue -- I cannot exit when
there are two windows
> > > shown -- the "Quit" command in menu
will exit only the current
> > > window.
> > >
> > > Should there be some "Really quit all
windows" command, that
> > > would restore the number of position of all
windows, so that
> > > they are restored on next start?
> >
> > No, Quit should quit the application. And in
addition we should have
> > Close Area which closes just the current
mainwindow. IMHO of course 
>
> Excellent. In fact I'm of the same mind  If there
are no objections
> I'll see about making quit really quit.

I agree.

> Should Alt-F4 ask if just the mainwindow, or entire
application should
> be closed? I'm really not sure.

I'd think just the active main window, to do otherwise would
be to go against 
what the user expects from every other app.  We should just
use the quit 
shortcut (like in kontact, where alt+f4 closes eg. your
composition window, 
but Quit in the main window closes everything).

Cheers,
Hamish

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On 10.12.07 13:11:41, Hamish Rodda wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:29:14 am Vladimir Prus wrote:
> > Should Alt-F4 ask if just the mainwindow, or
entire application should
> > be closed? I'm really not sure.
> 
> I'd think just the active main window, to do otherwise
would be to go against 
> what the user expects from every other app.  We should
just use the quit 
> shortcut (like in kontact, where alt+f4 closes eg. your
composition window, 
> but Quit in the main window closes everything).

That doesn't apply the same way to KDevelop. There is no
"mainwindow" in
kdevelop4, there are multiple mainwindows. I do agree
however that the
standard Alt+F4 shortcut should just close the active
mainwindow. Ctrl+Q
however, should IMHO close the whole application.

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On Monday December 10 2007 13:05:21 Andreas Pakulat wrote:

> That doesn't apply the same way to KDevelop. There is
no "mainwindow" in
> kdevelop4, there are multiple mainwindows. I do agree
however that the
> standard Alt+F4 shortcut should just close the active
mainwindow. Ctrl+Q
> however, should IMHO close the whole application.

Ctrl-Q is right next to close tab (Ctrl-W) on many keyboard
layouts, including 
US. Is that really a good idea? IMHO, something used that
rarely doesn't 
really deserve a shortcut by default except the ALT-F Q that
is the menu 
accelerator.

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On 10.12.07 14:09:20, Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> On Monday December 10 2007 13:05:21 Andreas Pakulat
wrote:
> 
> > That doesn't apply the same way to KDevelop. There
is no "mainwindow" in
> > kdevelop4, there are multiple mainwindows. I do
agree however that the
> > standard Alt+F4 shortcut should just close the
active mainwindow. Ctrl+Q
> > however, should IMHO close the whole application.
> 
> Ctrl-Q is right next to close tab (Ctrl-W) on many
keyboard layouts, including 
> US. Is that really a good idea? IMHO, something used
that rarely doesn't 
> really deserve a shortcut by default except the ALT-F Q
that is the menu 
> accelerator.

Huh? Closing an application is rarely used? Apart from that
if you find
that you hit it accidentally, then change the shortcut.
Ctrl+Q is the
default in KDE for quitting an application and the same in
almost any
other App I've seen so far on my desktop.

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On Monday, 10. December 2007, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> On 10.12.07 14:09:20, Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> > Ctrl-Q is right next to close tab (Ctrl-W) on many
keyboard layouts,
> > including US. Is that really a good idea? IMHO,
something used that
> > rarely doesn't really deserve a shortcut by
default except the ALT-F Q
> > that is the menu accelerator.
>
> Huh? Closing an application is rarely used? Apart from
that if you find
> that you hit it accidentally, then change the shortcut.
Ctrl+Q is the
> default in KDE for quitting an application and the same
in almost any
> other App I've seen so far on my desktop.

No it's not, happens to me regularly in Konqueror when
closing tabs.
Every two weeks or so maybe, but it's still annoying - in
contrast, I think
I intentionally used the shortcut maybe once or so.

Kate is also prone to being closed accidentally, as will be
KDevelop with 
Ctrl-W-closable files. Short survey, does anyone here use
Ctrl-Q for any 
application?

(I do think that the shortcut should be reassigned to
Ctrl-Shift-Q.
That would get rid of a lot of unnecessary trouble.)

... jakob

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On Tuesday 11 December 2007 19:19:01 Jakob Petsovits wrote:
> Kate is also prone to being closed accidentally, as
will be KDevelop with
> Ctrl-W-closable files. Short survey, does anyone here
use Ctrl-Q for any
> application?
>
> (I do think that the shortcut should be reassigned to
Ctrl-Shift-Q.
> That would get rid of a lot of unnecessary trouble.)

Never used it. I didn't even know that it exists..

greetings, David

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On 11.12.07 19:19:01, Jakob Petsovits wrote:
> On Monday, 10. December 2007, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> > On 10.12.07 14:09:20, Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> > > Ctrl-Q is right next to close tab (Ctrl-W) on
many keyboard layouts,
> > > including US. Is that really a good idea?
IMHO, something used that
> > > rarely doesn't really deserve a shortcut by
default except the ALT-F Q
> > > that is the menu accelerator.
> >
> > Huh? Closing an application is rarely used? Apart
from that if you find
> > that you hit it accidentally, then change the
shortcut. Ctrl+Q is the
> > default in KDE for quitting an application and the
same in almost any
> > other App I've seen so far on my desktop.
> 
> No it's not, happens to me regularly in Konqueror when
closing tabs.

Sorry, but to what do you refer here, i.e. what is not?

> Every two weeks or so maybe, but it's still annoying -
in contrast, I think
> I intentionally used the shortcut maybe once or so.
> 
> Kate is also prone to being closed accidentally, as
will be KDevelop with 
> Ctrl-W-closable files. Short survey, does anyone here
use Ctrl-Q for any 
> application?

I use Ctrl+Q regurlarly for Konqueror and KDevelop. I don't
use Kate
that much. I also use Ctrl+Q on almost any other app that I
do close
while the X11 session is running.

> (I do think that the shortcut should be reassigned to
Ctrl-Shift-Q.
> That would get rid of a lot of unnecessary trouble.)

As you know there's a lot of things that should be done wrt.
shortcuts..

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