project views in 3.4

Hi,

The "project views" feature was added to
kdevelop some time back, as I 
understand it in preparation for quanta in kde 4.

The version we have in KDevelop 3.4 branch today doesn't
seem to work properly 
(http://bug
s.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123849), and seeing it in
action I don't 
think it fits KDevelop very well as it is. It clutters the
UI, grabs focus 
and overloads the "project" concept.

Would anyone mind if I were to remove it from KDevelop 3.4
branch?


// jens

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On Friday 26 May 2006 02:46, Jens Dagerbo wrote:
> Would anyone mind if I were to remove it from KDevelop
3.4 branch?
I'd say go ahead.

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On Friday 26 May 2006 06:46, Jens Dagerbo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The "project views" feature was added to
kdevelop some time back, as I
> understand it in preparation for quanta in kde 4.

Yes, I did this and it was already released in KDevelop 3.3.
Do you really 
want to remove something that is in the previous version?

> The version we have in KDevelop 3.4 branch today
doesn't seem to work
> properly (http://bug
s.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123849), and seeing it in
> action I don't think it fits KDevelop very well as it
is. It clutters the
> UI, grabs focus and overloads the "project"
concept.

I was not aware about the bug yet. Grabbing the focus is
also not nice, so I 
can try to fix these two bugs.

I am also not happy with the name "project view"
and I had the idea to change 
it to session. Similar to what Kate uses. We could move the
menu entry out of 
the project menu to either View or Window? 

> Would anyone mind if I were to remove it from KDevelop
3.4 branch?

Yes, I would mind. Partly because I still believe it is a
usefull function and 
partly because I do not understand that this kind of
criticism comes just 
before the release. 

So I would prefere to fix it but if many other people don't
like it as well I 
agree that you can remove it. 

BTW. the bugreport proves that at least on person used it


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> The version we have in KDevelop 3.4 branch today
doesn't seem to work
> properly (http://bug
s.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123849),

I fixed the bug in SVN.

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On Thursday 25 May 2006 18:46, Jens Dagerbo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The "project views" feature was added to
kdevelop some time back, as I
> understand it in preparation for quanta in kde 4.
>
> The version we have in KDevelop 3.4 branch today
doesn't seem to work
> properly (http://bug
s.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123849), and seeing it in
> action I don't think it fits KDevelop very well as it
is. It clutters the
> UI, grabs focus and overloads the "project"
concept.
>
> Would anyone mind if I were to remove it from KDevelop
3.4 branch?
>
>
> // jens
>

I want to hear from other people before passing judgment,
especially if Jens 
Herden is going to continue fixing bugs in it. 
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>
>  especially if Jens Herden is going to continue fixing
bugs in it. 

Yes, I am willing to do so. I just have to change my habit
to look only for 
Quanta bugs in the database 

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On Friday 26 May 2006 04:17, Jens Herden wrote:
> On Friday 26 May 2006 06:46, Jens Dagerbo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The "project views" feature was added
to kdevelop some time back,
> > as I understand it in preparation for quanta in
kde 4.
>
> Yes, I did this and it was already released in KDevelop
3.3. Do you
> really want to remove something that is in the previous
version?

I agree. If it's not plain broken (which I doubt), there is
no need to 
remove an existing functionality.

Andras

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On Friday 26 May 2006 01:17, Jens Herden wrote:
> On Friday 26 May 2006 06:46, Jens Dagerbo wrote:
> > The version we have in KDevelop 3.4 branch today
doesn't seem to work
> > properly (http://bug
s.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123849), and seeing it in
> > action I don't think it fits KDevelop very well
as it is. It clutters the
> > UI, grabs focus and overloads the
"project" concept.
>
> I was not aware about the bug yet. Grabbing the focus
is also not nice, so
> I can try to fix these two bugs.
>
> I am also not happy with the name "project
view" and I had the idea to
> change it to session. Similar to what Kate uses. We
could move the menu
> entry out of the project menu to either View or Window?

Well.. if it now works and the toolbar focus grab can be
fixed I don't really 
mind it much either. 

I agree with renaming "project" to
"session", or maybe "view session".
It 
mirrors kate and reduces confusion with projects. I guess
moving it to the 
View menu makes the most sense. (Personally I would like to
see the Window 
menu gone completely in KDev4, but that's another
discussion).

Also, since FileList now does bulk load/unload of files, it
should take care 
to store and restore the proper encoding for the files it
loads. This is 
probably easy to add, I can take a look at it once I get
kdevelop to build 
again...

The "display toolbar in toolview" option is
nice, but to my surprise it 
instead moves it to the main toolbar. Is bulk load/unload of
files really a 
feature that is used often enough to mandate space in the
main toolbar? Can 
we at least have a third option - "off"? For me,
the menu entry is enough.

Would it make sense to make it only do a bulk load, and not
a switch, btw? 
Last time I tried the project views feature it closed all
the files I had 
open when it loaded the new set. For me this was unexpected
and unwanted, but 
perhaps this behaviour is the idea behind the feature?


// jens

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On Saturday 27 May 2006 17:02, Jens Dagerbo wrote:
> I agree with renaming "project" to
"session", or maybe "view
> session". It mirrors kate and reduces confusion
with projects. I
> guess moving it to the View menu makes the most sense.
(Personally I
> would like to see the Window menu gone completely in
KDev4, but
> that's another discussion).

As this is project related, maybe it should be in Project
menu... 

Andras

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On Sunday 28 May 2006 02:17, Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 17:02, Jens Dagerbo wrote:
> > I agree with renaming "project" to
"session", or maybe "view
> > session". It mirrors kate and reduces
confusion with projects. I
> > guess moving it to the View menu makes the most
sense. (Personally I
> > would like to see the Window menu gone completely
in KDev4, but
> > that's another discussion).
>
> As this is project related, maybe it should be in
Project menu...

It is not project related! You can use it without any
project.

Jens
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