Re: Krita Workspace Proposal + Mock-ups

Now that KDE 4.0 is out...

Half out of curiosity: is it possible for one to build Krita
2.0 
without:
- installing the whole of KDE 4.0 (I've switched to Kubuntu
7.10 
with KDE 3.5, but I don't Really want to switch to KDE 4
until I 
know it's stable enough)
- installing the whole of KOffice (though I wouldn't mind it
too much,
I've checked out Kword and frankly I like it!)
- and without ending up with lots of broken dependencies
that will 
crash all of my other programs?

I don't Terribly mind having a desktop that crashes all the
time, 
but I'd rather maintain one by the side that doesn't crash.
My new
computer not too long ago reminded me in fact never to mess
with
the screen resolution settings without making a backup of
xorg.conf. 
=

Basically I've been rethinking the workspace concept a bit.
I've 
recently noticed the KOffice workspace system as well, so in
Krita
it could be renamed taskspace to avoid confusion. But as
I've been 
discovering things about Krita, I'd rather keep some things

consistent if possible, so I'm curious to see where Krita
2.0 is 
headed.

The new proposal basically divides implementation into the
following
independent tasks:

- improved management of toolbars. Adding to the toolbar
should 
work with a menu system similar to the general menu system
on top,
instead of listing everything in one drop-down. Also,
making
toolbars collapsible could be useful against clutter.
Drag-and-drop
system would also help.

- basic workspace implementation. The very basic one
basically
allows you to save different toolbar settings and such. At
this
point they don't need to have many functions. Eventually new

developers could add specific functionalities for each. A
quick
photo editing workspace for example would offer to load a
photo
or even a whole folder instead of offering templates, and
can
generate a list of photo thumbnails on the side so that you
can
quickly access new photos one by one for quick editing or
batch
operations on an entire new folder. Obviously, painting
doesn't
need this.

- brush presets system. This will need a lot of defining,
and it'd 
be helpful for me to know what the new brush options will
be...

- resource management system, and corresponding
"drawer" system
(thanks to Boudewijn for the term idea!). My new idea is to
use 
something much like the bookmark system in many programs
(like
Firefox). The "Drawer" system then allows you to
start a 
special type of toolbar where you can load entire folders at
a 
time. Click on a drawer-like icon to see folders and
sub-folders 
you can load up. I'll send a mock-up later.

Once the above foundations have been set up,
not-necessarily-
programmers will have to be called in to work on possible
workspaces and create presets and such for future releases.

Though... You're all very busy with KOffice 2.0 right? I
can
always re-submit everything I have in mind later when you
have
less on your minds.

In the meantime would you like me to help on the content for
a new 
website again? The biggest problem, obviously, is that I
don't know what the new features will be. XD


     
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On Saturday 12 January 2008, Valerie wrote:
> Now that KDE 4.0 is out...
>
> Half out of curiosity: is it possible for one to build
Krita 2.0
> without:
> - installing the whole of KDE 4.0 (I've switched to
Kubuntu 7.10
> with KDE 3.5, but I don't Really want to switch to KDE
4 until I
> know it's stable enough)
> - installing the whole of KOffice (though I wouldn't
mind it too much,
> I've checked out Kword and frankly I like it!)
> - and without ending up with lots of broken
dependencies that will
> crash all of my other programs?

Yes, sort-of. You need kdesupport, kdelibs and kdebase. From
koffice, filters, 
libs, krita and servicetypes should suffice. If you are on
OpenSUSE you can 
safely install the opensuse KDE4 and KDE4 devel packages
using the one-click 
installer and build krita against those packages. They will
not interfere 
with your kde3.5 environment at all. Other distributions
might be able to 
provide the same thing.

> Basically I've been rethinking the workspace concept a
bit. I've
> recently noticed the KOffice workspace system as well,
so in Krita
> it could be renamed taskspace to avoid confusion. But
as I've been
> discovering things about Krita, I'd rather keep some
things
> consistent if possible, so I'm curious to see where
Krita 2.0 is
> headed.

Actually, the koffice workspace is sort of missing in action
in 2.0 right now. 
Nobody was interested enough to keep it running.

> Though... You're all very busy with KOffice 2.0 right?
I can
> always re-submit everything I have in mind later when
you have
> less on your minds.

Yeah, we're kind of swamped just with coding work -- there's
so much still to 
be done. Fortunately, we can now just use installed KDE4
packages to develop 
against, which is much easier. And it might also attract new
developers who 
were put off by the rather complicated instructions for
building kde4 on 
techbase.kde.org. And then I need to start working on our
release process...

> In the meantime would you like me to help on the
content for a new
> website again? The biggest problem, obviously, is that
I
> don't know what the new features will be. XD

At one point in time someone on irc turned up who also
wanted to work on our 
website. But he disappeared :-(. David Powell has krita2.org
all ready to 
point to a place different from koffice.org/krita -- and we
can get webspace 
for that on the koffice server, too -- but that needs to be
organized. I'll 
ping him again.

-- 
Boudewijn Rempt 
http://www.va
ldyas.org/fading/index.cgi
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On Saturday 12 January 2008, Valerie wrote:
> - installing the whole of KDE 4.0 (I've switched to
Kubuntu 7.10
> with KDE 3.5, but I don't Really want to switch to KDE
4 until I
> know it's stable enough)

For kubuntu (thanks to basse for pointing this on irc) if
you follow the 
instruction on that page it should work, and you can keep
your rock solid 
kde3.5 :

http://k
ubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php

I haven't tested it yet. And if I understood well there is
an allready build 
koffice2 package.
-- 
Cyrille Berger
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