Kolab-users list for german speakers?

Hi Kolab lists,

in germany, we (from Intevation) notice an increasing
interest in Kolab. 
In our opinion it could be expedient to create a
german-speaking Kolab user 
list; called e.g. "kolab-users-de" or
"kolab-anwender".
What are you think about?

Regards
Emanuel

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Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 schrieb Emanuel Schütze:
> Hi Kolab lists,
>
> in germany, we (from Intevation) notice an increasing
interest in Kolab.
> In our opinion it could be expedient to create a
german-speaking Kolab user
> list; called e.g. "kolab-users-de" or
"kolab-anwender".
> What are you think about?
>
> Regards
> Emanuel

great idea. how it is called doesn't matter. 

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Quoting Emanuel Schütze <emanuelintevation.de>:

> Hi Kolab lists,
>
> in germany, we (from Intevation) notice an increasing
interest in Kolab.
> In our opinion it could be expedient to create a
german-speaking Kolab user
> list; called e.g. "kolab-users-de" or
"kolab-anwender".
> What are you think about?
>
> Regards
> Emanuel
>
> --
> Emanuel Schütze  |  ++49-541-335 08 38  |  http://www.intevation.de/
> Intevation GmbH, Georgstr. 4, 49074 Osnabrück, DE | AG
Osnabrück, HR B 18998
> Geschäftsführer: Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr.
Jan-Oliver Wagner
>
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>

Das ist ein gute Idee.

Thats sounds good. 

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I dislike the idea. It fragments the knowledge base provided
by the mailing
list archives and pulls parts of it into a realm only
accessible by those
speaking German. And yes, ich spreche Deutsch. Which
sys-admin inclined
person isn't able to follow a technical discussion in
English these days?

Joh

Emanuel Schütze wrote:

> Hi Kolab lists,
> 
> in germany, we (from Intevation) notice an increasing
interest in Kolab.
> In our opinion it could be expedient to create a
german-speaking Kolab
> user list; called e.g. "kolab-users-de" or
"kolab-anwender".
> What are you think about?
> 
> Regards
> Emanuel
> 


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I agree as well with Joh to keep one list.  I read the Kolab
list all the 
time, the web searching and other documentation is mostly in
English.  
However, I do get stuck trying to get through German or
French for tech 
things every now and then.  

Are parts of the Wiki in German?  That might be a good
alternative.  Also, 
people could post in other languages to this list.  I
wouldn't mind that.

Thanks,

Roy
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 08:01, Johannes Graumann wrote:
> I dislike the idea. It fragments the knowledge base
provided by the mailing
> list archives and pulls parts of it into a realm only
accessible by those
> speaking German. And yes, ich spreche Deutsch. Which
sys-admin inclined
> person isn't able to follow a technical discussion in
English these days?
>
> Joh
>
> Emanuel Schütze wrote:
> > Hi Kolab lists,
> >
> > in germany, we (from Intevation) notice an
increasing interest in Kolab.
> > In our opinion it could be expedient to create a
german-speaking Kolab
> > user list; called e.g. "kolab-users-de"
or "kolab-anwender".
> > What are you think about?
> >
> > Regards
> > Emanuel
>
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Hello,
I totally agree with Johannes Graumann. I would have writen
exactly the same, 
including the german part. 'tut mir Leid.
When Kolab will be stable, full-featured and documented, it
will be time to 
create lists in each language, to help newbies to start-up
rapidly. But for 
now, using Kolab successfully implies to access the whole
knowledge base.

Regards,

Loïc Elineau

On Wednesday 16 January 2008 15:01:52 Johannes Graumann
wrote:
> I dislike the idea. It fragments the knowledge base
provided by the mailing
> list archives and pulls parts of it into a realm only
accessible by those
> speaking German. And yes, ich spreche Deutsch. Which
sys-admin inclined
> person isn't able to follow a technical discussion in
English these days?
>
> Joh
>
> Emanuel Schütze wrote:
> > Hi Kolab lists,
> >
> > in germany, we (from Intevation) notice an
increasing interest in Kolab.
> > In our opinion it could be expedient to create a
german-speaking Kolab
> > user list; called e.g. "kolab-users-de"
or "kolab-anwender".
> > What are you think about?
> >
> > Regards
> > Emanuel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Kolab-users mailing list
> Kolab-userskolab.org
> https:
//kolab.org/mailman/listinfo/kolab-users


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On Jan 16, 2008 4:54 PM, Loïc Elineau <loic.elineaubenefacere.fr> wrote:
> Hello,
> I totally agree with Johannes Graumann. I would have
writen exactly the same,
> including the german part. 'tut mir Leid.
> When Kolab will be stable, full-featured and
documented, it will be time to
> create lists in each language, to help newbies to
start-up rapidly. But for
> now, using Kolab successfully implies to access the
whole knowledge base.

This is good arguments to not spend to much time for German
translation, BUT
the German community could bring something to the Kolab
community.
This is a good idea to accept any contribution from all
around the world.

"kolab-users-de" is better, because, Ich weis
nicht was sol "anwender"
bedeut  

>
> Regards,
>
> Loïc Elineau
>
>
> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 15:01:52 Johannes Graumann
wrote:
> > I dislike the idea. It fragments the knowledge
base provided by the mailing
> > list archives and pulls parts of it into a realm
only accessible by those
> > speaking German. And yes, ich spreche Deutsch.
Which sys-admin inclined
> > person isn't able to follow a technical discussion
in English these days?
> >
> > Joh
> >
> > Emanuel Schütze wrote:
> > > Hi Kolab lists,
> > >
> > > in germany, we (from Intevation) notice an
increasing interest in Kolab.
> > > In our opinion it could be expedient to
create a german-speaking Kolab
> > > user list; called e.g.
"kolab-users-de" or "kolab-anwender".
> > > What are you think about?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Emanuel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Kolab-users mailing list
> > Kolab-userskolab.org
> > https:
//kolab.org/mailman/listinfo/kolab-users
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Kolab-userskolab.org
> https:
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>



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<mode joke="on">
=>"...Ich weiss nicht was soll "anwender"
bedeuten"
</mode>


> This is good arguments to not spend to much time for
German translation,
> BUT the German community could bring something to the
Kolab community. This
> is a good idea to accept any contribution from all
around the world.
>
> "kolab-users-de" is better, because, Ich weis
nicht was sol "anwender"
> bedeut  
>

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On Wednesday 16 January 2008 15:01, Johannes Graumann
wrote:
> I dislike the idea. It fragments the knowledge base
provided by the mailing
> list archives and pulls parts of it into a realm only
accessible by those
> speaking German. And yes, ich spreche Deutsch. Which
sys-admin inclined
> person isn't able to follow a technical discussion in
English these days?

We are aware of the danger of knowledge and community
fragmentation,
but in our observation a kolab-users-de it will
do more good than bad.
The reason is public administrations, which really value the
German language.
Note that Kolab Server only exists, because one of them
contracted us and we 
were able to create it as Free Software as a side effect.

Some of the customers of the Kolab-Konsortium pointed out,
the need for more German information.
Also they sometimes contract us specifically to get
documents in their native 
language and we try to comply as we are a service oriented
as a company. 
I think this is a fundamental right as customer to get local
language, if 
possible. We do recommend all design documents to be in
English for their 
best value as well.

Our plan is to keep the English lists and grow the
community.

More German users would get as more progress
and this is something we all (international) users will
profit from.

Best,
Bernhard

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Germany Coordinator: fsfeurope.org. Coordinator:
www.Kolab-Konsortium.com.
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18998
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Op Wednesday 16 January 2008 19:17:00 schreef Bernhard
Reiter:
> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 15:01, Johannes Graumann
wrote:
> > I dislike the idea. It fragments the knowledge
base provided by the
> > mailing list archives and pulls parts of it into a
realm only accessible
> > by those speaking German. And yes, ich spreche
Deutsch. Which sys-admin
> > inclined person isn't able to follow a technical
discussion in English
> > these days?

+1

> We are aware of the danger of knowledge and community
fragmentation,
> but in our observation a kolab-users-de it will
do more good than bad.
> The reason is public administrations, which really
value the German
> language. Note that Kolab Server only exists, because
one of them
> contracted us and we were able to create it as Free
Software as a side
> effect.
>
> Some of the customers of the Kolab-Konsortium pointed
out,
> the need for more German information.
> Also they sometimes contract us specifically to get
documents in their
> native language and we try to comply as we are a
service oriented as a
> company. I think this is a fundamental right as
customer to get local
> language, if possible. We do recommend all design
documents to be in
> English for their best value as well.
>
> Our plan is to keep the English lists and grow the
community.

+2 

Just do it!

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Richard Bos
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It is not inherited from our parents.

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