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Stupid(?) questions wrt Toltec
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2006-04-18 16:19:35
Am Mittwoch, 1. März 2006 14:13 schrieb Andreas Gungl:
> Am Mittwoch, 1. März 2006 12:17 schrieb T. Ribbrock:
> > On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 11:50:12AM +0100, Andreas
Gungl wrote:
> > > Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 16:11 schrieb
T. Ribbrock:

> > > > - First of all: We have the IMAP access
via the connector working -
> > > > BUT: Is the Toltec connector supposed to
deal with incoming meeting
> > > > request like kmail does (i.e. you get
this nice "Accept"/"Deny" on
> > > > your screen)? 

Outlook is supposted to deal with it.
Toltec is not. 
Toltec (as other Outlook connectors) cannot speak iCalendar
directly.
If you have a problem with iCalender invitation emails, 
test it without Toltec to be extra sure.

> > > > 'cause in our case (Win00/OL2000), it
doesn't. All 
> > > > meeting requests I send from kmail are
displayed as plain text (i.e.
> > > > the full mail with headers and all) in
Outlook. 

Outlook has bugs and iCalendar is not well enough defined.
Thus Outlook will only accept a subset of iCalender
invitations.
Kontact (KMail and KOrganizer together) try to be
compatible;
make sure to enable all the compatibility switches in
the workgroup settings of KMail.


> > - As mentioned previously, when clicking on any
meeting request
> > (generated with KMail), that request is displayed
as plain text (or, to
> > be more precise: The source of the mail is shown,
header, body and all).
> > - If we drag such a request to the
"Calendar" folder, it automatically
> > becomes a meeting, i.e. a dialog window pops up
which - I think - is
> > supposed to represent the meeting request, but
it's not clear how to
> > accept/deny. Also, responses to meeting requests
(e.g. an "accept" of a 
> > KMail user) end up being new appointments instead
of being applied tothe
> > existing appointment.

I believe that drag and drop will make an appointment from
an email.
This is not what you want. Try to send back and forth some
appointments
between Outlook clients (without any plugin) to see how it
should work.

> Well, there is a line in the message (quite below the
address data) which
> states if the event is known in your calendar or not.
Maybe there is a
> problem that the calendar folder on the Kolab server is
not your default
> calendar. The invitation handling i ssaid to work only
for the default
> calendar in OL. (I haven't verified myself.)
> On our side, opening that message and deleting it marks
the attendee in the
> event with the correct state.

To seperate this problem area from the rest, you can do
Outlook tests
without Kolab Account, just a local .pst. Now it should
display and accept
invitations correctly first, otherwise, there is the bad
behaviour already.

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Stupid(?) questions wrt Toltec
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2006-04-19 06:07:21
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 06:19:35PM +0200, Bernhard Reiter
wrote:
[...]
> I believe that drag and drop will make an appointment
from an email.
> This is not what you want. Try to send back and forth
some appointments
> between Outlook clients (without any plugin) to see how
it should work.

Actually, we've already dropped the idea of using
Outlook+plugin (also for
other reasons than these problems), so I won't be doing any
more testing.
Those of our 'doze users who cannot easily be migrated
fully to Linux will
simply get a VMWare image with Linux and Kontact to work
with our
mail/agenda system. Thanks for your input, though!

Cheerio,

Thomas

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Stupid(?) questions wrt Toltec
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2006-04-19 19:39:40
Op woensdag 19 april 2006 08:07, schreef T. Ribbrock:
> Actually, we've already dropped the idea of using
Outlook+plugin (also for
> other reasons than these problems), so I won't be
doing any more testing.
> Those of our 'doze users who cannot easily be migrated
fully to Linux will
> simply get a VMWare image with Linux and Kontact to
work with our
> mail/agenda system. Thanks for your input, though!

You might be better of NX instead of vmware...
You can get NX from http://www.nomachine.com/
Tell NX to connect to an NX server running on linux.  The NX
client can start 
1 application (called custom in the NX setup).  I have tht
setup last week 
for a collegue and he seems very happy with that.  It works
better than 
vmware (I think) as the NX is really integrated into the MS
desktop, while 
vmware is more on its own....  Besides that NX is free is
vmware is not ;)

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Stupid(?) questions wrt Toltec
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2006-04-19 20:54:23
I've used freenx with success.

It is quicker to start up, and because it is a terminal
services app will
have minimal overhad implciations for the client.

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>
> Op woensdag 19 april 2006 08:07, schreef T. Ribbrock:
> > Actually, we've already dropped the idea of using
> Outlook+plugin (also for
> > other reasons than these problems), so I won't be
doing any
> more testing.
> > Those of our 'doze users who cannot easily be
migrated
> fully to Linux will
> > simply get a VMWare image with Linux and Kontact
to work with our
> > mail/agenda system. Thanks for your input, though!
>
> You might be better of NX instead of vmware...
> You can get NX from http://www.nomachine.com/
> Tell NX to connect to an NX server running on linux. 
The NX
> client can start
> 1 application (called custom in the NX setup).  I have
tht
> setup last week
> for a collegue and he seems very happy with that.  It
works
> better than
> vmware (I think) as the NX is really integrated into
the MS
> desktop, while
> vmware is more on its own....  Besides that NX is free
is
> vmware is not ;)
>
> --
> Richard Bos
> Without a home the journey is endless
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2006-04-20 06:11:44
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:39:40PM +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
> 
> You might be better of NX instead of vmware...
> You can get NX from http://www.nomachine.com/
> Tell NX to connect to an NX server running on linux. 
The NX client can start 
> 1 application (called custom in the NX setup).  I have
tht setup last week 
> for a collegue and he seems very happy with that.  It
works better than 
> vmware (I think) as the NX is really integrated into
the MS desktop, while 
> vmware is more on its own....  Besides that NX is free
is vmware is not ;)

I'll have to think that one through. One of our goals was
that all work
environments are exactly the same, which can be achieved
with VMWare, as
you basically get the exact same environment as on our Linux
workstations.

How about the hardware requirements for the server if some
10-15 people
need to run sessions at the same time?

Cheerio,

Thomas

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2006-04-20 06:19:06
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 08:11:44AM +0200, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:39:40PM +0200, Richard Bos
wrote:
> > 
> > You might be better of NX instead of vmware...
> > You can get NX from http://www.nomachine.com/
> > Tell NX to connect to an NX server running on
linux.  The NX client can start 
> > 1 application (called custom in the NX setup).  I
have tht setup last week 
> > for a collegue and he seems very happy with that. 
It works better than 
> > vmware (I think) as the NX is really integrated
into the MS desktop, while 
> > vmware is more on its own....  Besides that NX is
free is vmware is not ;)
> 
> I'll have to think that one through. One of our goals
was that all work
> environments are exactly the same, which can be
achieved with VMWare, as
> you basically get the exact same environment as on our
Linux workstations.
> 
> How about the hardware requirements for the server if
some 10-15 people
> need to run sessions at the same time?

How big is your server?  I run 14 kde sessions on a 3GHz, 2
GB system
and that works quite well. If you would run kontact as only
application
I think that you the performance will be okay and less
memory is needed.

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