Microformats

You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk' all over:

http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation

and

http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid

-Ross.

On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin <jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
> So, work related to microformats and libraries is
already underway. Check
> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier work on
> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
>
> -- jaf
>
>
> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D. Engwall"
<kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
>
> > I'm curious as to what interest there is among
the library community for
> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
> >
> > I'm still getting my head wrapped around them,
but I think there's
> > potential for developing microformats for digital
collections, brief
> > catalog records, etc.
> >
> > For an excellent introduction to what Microformats
are, check out:
> >
> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats Primer by
Garrett Dimon
> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
> >
> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to Microformats
> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Keith Engwall
> > Head of Library Systems and Technology
> > Catawba College
> > Salisbury, NC
> > kengwallcatawba.edu
> >
> > "For a successful technology, reality must
take precedence over public
> > relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -
Richard P. Feynman
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Web4lib mailing list
> > Web4libwebjunction.org
> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
> >
>
>
> -- jaf
>
> ===============================================
> Jeremy Frumkin
> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services
> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University
> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
>
> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
>
> 541.737.9928
> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
> ===============================================
> " Without ambition one starts nothing. Without
work one finishes nothing. "
> - Emerson
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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I took a look at some of this and still can't quite figure
out what 
makes something a "microformat" as opposed to a
"format." (Yes, I read 
the definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone articulate
that? It just 
seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another format).

kc

Ross Singer wrote:
> You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk' all over:
>
> http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
>
> and
>
> http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
>
> -Ross.
>
> On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin <jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
>> So, work related to microformats and libraries is
already underway. 
>> Check
>> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier 
>> work on
>> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
>>
>> -- jaf
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D. Engwall"
<kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm curious as to what interest there is
among the library 
>> community for
>> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
>> >
>> > I'm still getting my head wrapped around
them, but I think there's
>> > potential for developing microformats for
digital collections, brief
>> > catalog records, etc.
>> >
>> > For an excellent introduction to what
Microformats are, check out:
>> >
>> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats Primer by
Garrett Dimon
>> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
>> >
>> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
>> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > Keith Engwall
>> > Head of Library Systems and Technology
>> > Catawba College
>> > Salisbury, NC
>> > kengwallcatawba.edu
>> >
>> > "For a successful technology, reality
must take precedence over public
>> > relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
- Richard P. Feynman
>> >
>> >
>> >
_______________________________________________
>> > Web4lib mailing list
>> > Web4libwebjunction.org
>> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>> >
>>
>>
>> -- jaf
>>
>> ===============================================
>> Jeremy Frumkin
>> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services
>> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University
>> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
>>
>> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
>>
>> 541.737.9928
>> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
>> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
>> ===============================================
>> " Without ambition one starts nothing.
Without work one finishes 
>> nothing. "
>> - Emerson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Web4lib mailing list
>> Web4libwebjunction.org
>> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
>

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I took a look at some of this and still can't quite figure
out what 
makes something a "microformat" as opposed to a
"format." (Yes, I read 
the definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone articulate
that? It just 
seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another format).

kc

Ross Singer wrote:
> You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk' all over:
>
> http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
>
> and
>
> http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
>
> -Ross.
>
> On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin <jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
>> So, work related to microformats and libraries is
already underway. 
>> Check
>> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier 
>> work on
>> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
>>
>> -- jaf
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D. Engwall"
<kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm curious as to what interest there is
among the library 
>> community for
>> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
>> >
>> > I'm still getting my head wrapped around
them, but I think there's
>> > potential for developing microformats for
digital collections, brief
>> > catalog records, etc.
>> >
>> > For an excellent introduction to what
Microformats are, check out:
>> >
>> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats Primer by
Garrett Dimon
>> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
>> >
>> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
>> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > Keith Engwall
>> > Head of Library Systems and Technology
>> > Catawba College
>> > Salisbury, NC
>> > kengwallcatawba.edu
>> >
>> > "For a successful technology, reality
must take precedence over public
>> > relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
- Richard P. Feynman
>> >
>> >
>> >
_______________________________________________
>> > Web4lib mailing list
>> > Web4libwebjunction.org
>> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>> >
>>
>>
>> -- jaf
>>
>> ===============================================
>> Jeremy Frumkin
>> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services
>> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University
>> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
>>
>> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
>>
>> 541.737.9928
>> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
>> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
>> ===============================================
>> " Without ambition one starts nothing.
Without work one finishes 
>> nothing. "
>> - Emerson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Web4lib mailing list
>> Web4libwebjunction.org
>> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
>

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The intention of the microformat is to semantically mark up
data that
appears in HTML.

This way, items on web pages can become more 'actionable'
(machines
can figure out what's there and do something with them)
without the
need for screen scraping (which is prone to failure).

There are those (ok, it's me) that grow a little weary of
their
'humans first' dogma; I'm not convinced that /everything/
needs to
appear in the display.

Still, when you start working with the concept of
microformats it's
tough to deny the usefulness.

-Ross.

On 7/27/06, Karen Coyle <kcoylekcoyle.net> wrote:
> I took a look at some of this and still can't quite
figure out what
> makes something a "microformat" as opposed
to a "format." (Yes, I read
> the definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone articulate
that? It just
> seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another
format).
>
> kc
>
> Ross Singer wrote:
> > You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk' all
over:
> >
> > http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
> >
> > -Ross.
> >
> > On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin <jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
> >> So, work related to microformats and libraries
is already underway.
> >> Check
> >> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier
> >> work on
> >> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
> >>
> >> -- jaf
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D.
Engwall" <kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'm curious as to what interest there is
among the library
> >> community for
> >> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
> >> >
> >> > I'm still getting my head wrapped around
them, but I think there's
> >> > potential for developing microformats for
digital collections, brief
> >> > catalog records, etc.
> >> >
> >> > For an excellent introduction to what
Microformats are, check out:
> >> >
> >> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats Primer
by Garrett Dimon
> >> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
> >> >
> >> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
> >> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
> >> >
> >> > Keith
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------
> >> > Keith Engwall
> >> > Head of Library Systems and Technology
> >> > Catawba College
> >> > Salisbury, NC
> >> > kengwallcatawba.edu
> >> >
> >> > "For a successful technology,
reality must take precedence over public
> >> > relations, for nature cannot be
fooled." - Richard P. Feynman
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
_______________________________________________
> >> > Web4lib mailing list
> >> > Web4libwebjunction.org
> >> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> -- jaf
> >>
> >>
===============================================
> >> Jeremy Frumkin
> >> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services
> >> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State
University
> >> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
> >>
> >> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
> >>
> >> 541.737.9928
> >> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
> >> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
> >>
===============================================
> >> " Without ambition one starts nothing.
Without work one finishes
> >> nothing. "
> >> - Emerson
> >>
> >>
_______________________________________________
> >> Web4lib mailing list
> >> Web4libwebjunction.org
> >> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Web4lib mailing list
> > Web4libwebjunction.org
> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
> >
> >
>
> --
> -----------------------------------
> Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant
> kcoylekcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net
> ph.: 510-540-7596
> fx.: 510-848-3913
> mo.: 510-435-8234
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
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> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
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The intention of the microformat is to semantically mark up
data that
appears in HTML.

This way, items on web pages can become more 'actionable'
(machines
can figure out what's there and do something with them)
without the
need for screen scraping (which is prone to failure).

There are those (ok, it's me) that grow a little weary of
their
'humans first' dogma; I'm not convinced that /everything/
needs to
appear in the display.

Still, when you start working with the concept of
microformats it's
tough to deny the usefulness.

-Ross.

On 7/27/06, Karen Coyle <kcoylekcoyle.net> wrote:
> I took a look at some of this and still can't quite
figure out what
> makes something a "microformat" as opposed
to a "format." (Yes, I read
> the definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone articulate
that? It just
> seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another
format).
>
> kc
>
> Ross Singer wrote:
> > You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk' all
over:
> >
> > http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
> >
> > -Ross.
> >
> > On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin <jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
> >> So, work related to microformats and libraries
is already underway.
> >> Check
> >> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier
> >> work on
> >> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
> >>
> >> -- jaf
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D.
Engwall" <kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'm curious as to what interest there is
among the library
> >> community for
> >> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
> >> >
> >> > I'm still getting my head wrapped around
them, but I think there's
> >> > potential for developing microformats for
digital collections, brief
> >> > catalog records, etc.
> >> >
> >> > For an excellent introduction to what
Microformats are, check out:
> >> >
> >> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats Primer
by Garrett Dimon
> >> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
> >> >
> >> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
> >> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
> >> >
> >> > Keith
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------
> >> > Keith Engwall
> >> > Head of Library Systems and Technology
> >> > Catawba College
> >> > Salisbury, NC
> >> > kengwallcatawba.edu
> >> >
> >> > "For a successful technology,
reality must take precedence over public
> >> > relations, for nature cannot be
fooled." - Richard P. Feynman
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
_______________________________________________
> >> > Web4lib mailing list
> >> > Web4libwebjunction.org
> >> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> -- jaf
> >>
> >>
===============================================
> >> Jeremy Frumkin
> >> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services
> >> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State
University
> >> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
> >>
> >> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
> >>
> >> 541.737.9928
> >> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
> >> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
> >>
===============================================
> >> " Without ambition one starts nothing.
Without work one finishes
> >> nothing. "
> >> - Emerson
> >>
> >>
_______________________________________________
> >> Web4lib mailing list
> >> Web4libwebjunction.org
> >> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Web4lib mailing list
> > Web4libwebjunction.org
> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
> >
> >
>
> --
> -----------------------------------
> Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant
> kcoylekcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net
> ph.: 510-540-7596
> fx.: 510-848-3913
> mo.: 510-435-8234
> ------------------------------------
>
>
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bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
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Ok, I know this sounds like I'm being glib, but...

my understanding is that they're called
"microformats" because they're intentionally
small.


The whole point of the microformat is to make a standard
that is very small and light so that it is easy to
understand and implement.

Perhaps it's just to be catchy, or perhaps it's a reminder
for those developing them (keep them focused), or maybe
it's to disambiguate (thanks, Wikipedia) them from the
rather overloaded term "format".

Besides (and now I am being glib), I looked for formats.org,
and couldn't find a darn thing.

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:16 PM
To: web4lib
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Microformats

I took a look at some of this and still can't quite figure
out what makes something a "microformat" as
opposed to a "format." (Yes, I read the
definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone articulate that? It
just seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another
format).

kc

Ross Singer wrote:
> You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk' all over:
>
> http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
>
> and
>
> http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
>
> -Ross.
>
> On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin <jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
>> So, work related to microformats and libraries is
already underway. 
>> Check
>> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier 
>> work on
>> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
>>
>> -- jaf
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D. Engwall"
<kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm curious as to what interest there is
among the library 
>> community for
>> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
>> >
>> > I'm still getting my head wrapped around
them, but I think there's
>> > potential for developing microformats for
digital collections, brief
>> > catalog records, etc.
>> >
>> > For an excellent introduction to what
Microformats are, check out:
>> >
>> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats Primer by
Garrett Dimon
>> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
>> >
>> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
>> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > Keith Engwall
>> > Head of Library Systems and Technology
>> > Catawba College
>> > Salisbury, NC
>> > kengwallcatawba.edu
>> >
>> > "For a successful technology, reality
must take precedence over public
>> > relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
- Richard P. Feynman
>> >
>> >
>> >
_______________________________________________
>> > Web4lib mailing list
>> > Web4libwebjunction.org
>> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>> >
>>
>>
>> -- jaf
>>
>> ===============================================
>> Jeremy Frumkin
>> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services
>> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University
>> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
>>
>> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
>>
>> 541.737.9928
>> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
>> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
>> ===============================================
>> " Without ambition one starts nothing.
Without work one finishes 
>> nothing. "
>> - Emerson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Web4lib mailing list
>> Web4libwebjunction.org
>> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
>

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-----------------------------------
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mo.: 510-435-8234
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Ok, I know this sounds like I'm being glib, but...

my understanding is that they're called
"microformats" because they're intentionally
small.


The whole point of the microformat is to make a standard
that is very small and light so that it is easy to
understand and implement.

Perhaps it's just to be catchy, or perhaps it's a reminder
for those developing them (keep them focused), or maybe
it's to disambiguate (thanks, Wikipedia) them from the
rather overloaded term "format".

Besides (and now I am being glib), I looked for formats.org,
and couldn't find a darn thing.

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:16 PM
To: web4lib
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Microformats

I took a look at some of this and still can't quite figure
out what makes something a "microformat" as
opposed to a "format." (Yes, I read the
definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone articulate that? It
just seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another
format).

kc

Ross Singer wrote:
> You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk' all over:
>
> http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
>
> and
>
> http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
>
> -Ross.
>
> On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin <jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
>> So, work related to microformats and libraries is
already underway. 
>> Check
>> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier 
>> work on
>> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
>>
>> -- jaf
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D. Engwall"
<kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm curious as to what interest there is
among the library 
>> community for
>> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
>> >
>> > I'm still getting my head wrapped around
them, but I think there's
>> > potential for developing microformats for
digital collections, brief
>> > catalog records, etc.
>> >
>> > For an excellent introduction to what
Microformats are, check out:
>> >
>> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats Primer by
Garrett Dimon
>> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
>> >
>> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
>> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > Keith Engwall
>> > Head of Library Systems and Technology
>> > Catawba College
>> > Salisbury, NC
>> > kengwallcatawba.edu
>> >
>> > "For a successful technology, reality
must take precedence over public
>> > relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
- Richard P. Feynman
>> >
>> >
>> >
_______________________________________________
>> > Web4lib mailing list
>> > Web4libwebjunction.org
>> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>> >
>>
>>
>> -- jaf
>>
>> ===============================================
>> Jeremy Frumkin
>> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services
>> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University
>> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
>>
>> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
>>
>> 541.737.9928
>> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
>> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
>> ===============================================
>> " Without ambition one starts nothing.
Without work one finishes 
>> nothing. "
>> - Emerson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Web4lib mailing list
>> Web4libwebjunction.org
>> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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Thanks to all who answered my query. So, microformats
carry/define 
actionable data. Is there/could there be some synergy with
the OpenURL? 
I ask this because the microformats, as described on the
wiki, seem to 
me to be a bit kitchen-sink-y (one like this, another like
that), and 
I'd rather see some unification rather than a bunch of
different formats.

kc

Ross Singer wrote:
> The intention of the microformat is to semantically
mark up data that
> appears in HTML.
>
> This way, items on web pages can become more
'actionable' (machines
> can figure out what's there and do something with
them) without the
> need for screen scraping (which is prone to failure).
>
> There are those (ok, it's me) that grow a little weary
of their
> 'humans first' dogma; I'm not convinced that
/everything/ needs to
> appear in the display.
>
> Still, when you start working with the concept of
microformats it's
> tough to deny the usefulness.
>
> -Ross.
>
> On 7/27/06, Karen Coyle <kcoylekcoyle.net> wrote:
>> I took a look at some of this and still can't
quite figure out what
>> makes something a "microformat" as
opposed to a "format." (Yes, I read
>> the definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone
articulate that? It just
>> seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another
format).
>>
>> kc
>>
>> Ross Singer wrote:
>> > You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk'
all over:
>> >
>> > http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
>> >
>> > -Ross.
>> >
>> > On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin
<jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
>> >> So, work related to microformats and
libraries is already underway.
>> >> Check
>> >> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier
>> >> work on
>> >> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
>> >>
>> >> -- jaf
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D.
Engwall" <kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I'm curious as to what interest
there is among the library
>> >> community for
>> >> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm still getting my head wrapped
around them, but I think there's
>> >> > potential for developing microformats
for digital collections, 
>> brief
>> >> > catalog records, etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > For an excellent introduction to what
Microformats are, check out:
>> >> >
>> >> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats
Primer by Garrett Dimon
>> >> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
>> >> >
>> >> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
>> >> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
>> >> >
>> >> > Keith
>> >> >
>> >> > ---------------------------------
>> >> > Keith Engwall
>> >> > Head of Library Systems and
Technology
>> >> > Catawba College
>> >> > Salisbury, NC
>> >> > kengwallcatawba.edu
>> >> >
>> >> > "For a successful technology,
reality must take precedence over 
>> public
>> >> > relations, for nature cannot be
fooled." - Richard P. Feynman
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- jaf
>> >>
>> >>
===============================================
>> >> Jeremy Frumkin
>> >> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library
Services
>> >> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State
University
>> >> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
>> >>
>> >> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
>> >>
>> >> 541.737.9928
>> >> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
>> >> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
>> >>
===============================================
>> >> " Without ambition one starts
nothing. Without work one finishes
>> >> nothing. "
>> >> - Emerson
>> >>
>> >>
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Thanks to all who answered my query. So, microformats
carry/define 
actionable data. Is there/could there be some synergy with
the OpenURL? 
I ask this because the microformats, as described on the
wiki, seem to 
me to be a bit kitchen-sink-y (one like this, another like
that), and 
I'd rather see some unification rather than a bunch of
different formats.

kc

Ross Singer wrote:
> The intention of the microformat is to semantically
mark up data that
> appears in HTML.
>
> This way, items on web pages can become more
'actionable' (machines
> can figure out what's there and do something with
them) without the
> need for screen scraping (which is prone to failure).
>
> There are those (ok, it's me) that grow a little weary
of their
> 'humans first' dogma; I'm not convinced that
/everything/ needs to
> appear in the display.
>
> Still, when you start working with the concept of
microformats it's
> tough to deny the usefulness.
>
> -Ross.
>
> On 7/27/06, Karen Coyle <kcoylekcoyle.net> wrote:
>> I took a look at some of this and still can't
quite figure out what
>> makes something a "microformat" as
opposed to a "format." (Yes, I read
>> the definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone
articulate that? It just
>> seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another
format).
>>
>> kc
>>
>> Ross Singer wrote:
>> > You'll also see librarians and their 'ilk'
all over:
>> >
>> > http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
>> >
>> > -Ross.
>> >
>> > On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin
<jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
>> >> So, work related to microformats and
libraries is already underway.
>> >> Check
>> >> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier
>> >> work on
>> >> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
>> >>
>> >> -- jaf
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D.
Engwall" <kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I'm curious as to what interest
there is among the library
>> >> community for
>> >> > Microformats (http://microformats.org).
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm still getting my head wrapped
around them, but I think there's
>> >> > potential for developing microformats
for digital collections, 
>> brief
>> >> > catalog records, etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > For an excellent introduction to what
Microformats are, check out:
>> >> >
>> >> > Digital Web Magazine: Microformats
Primer by Garrett Dimon
>> >> > (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
>> >> >
>> >> > Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
>> >> > (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
>> >> >
>> >> > Keith
>> >> >
>> >> > ---------------------------------
>> >> > Keith Engwall
>> >> > Head of Library Systems and
Technology
>> >> > Catawba College
>> >> > Salisbury, NC
>> >> > kengwallcatawba.edu
>> >> >
>> >> > "For a successful technology,
reality must take precedence over 
>> public
>> >> > relations, for nature cannot be
fooled." - Richard P. Feynman
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
_______________________________________________
>> >> > Web4lib mailing list
>> >> > Web4libwebjunction.org
>> >> > http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- jaf
>> >>
>> >>
===============================================
>> >> Jeremy Frumkin
>> >> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library
Services
>> >> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State
University
>> >> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
>> >>
>> >> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
>> >>
>> >> 541.737.9928
>> >> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
>> >> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
>> >>
===============================================
>> >> " Without ambition one starts
nothing. Without work one finishes
>> >> nothing. "
>> >> - Emerson
>> >>
>> >>
_______________________________________________
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bjunction.org/web4lib/
>> >>
>> >>
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>> kcoylekcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net
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>> fx.: 510-848-3913
>> mo.: 510-435-8234
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Uh, the COinS microformat _is_ OpenURL: http://ocoins.info// .
Roy


On 7/28/06 8:03 AM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoylekcoyle.net> wrote:

> Thanks to all who answered my query. So, microformats
carry/define
> actionable data. Is there/could there be some synergy
with the OpenURL?
> I ask this because the microformats, as described on
the wiki, seem to
> me to be a bit kitchen-sink-y (one like this, another
like that), and
> I'd rather see some unification rather than a bunch of
different formats.
> 
> kc
> 
> Ross Singer wrote:
>> The intention of the microformat is to semantically
mark up data that
>> appears in HTML.
>> 
>> This way, items on web pages can become more
'actionable' (machines
>> can figure out what's there and do something with
them) without the
>> need for screen scraping (which is prone to
failure).
>> 
>> There are those (ok, it's me) that grow a little
weary of their
>> 'humans first' dogma; I'm not convinced that
/everything/ needs to
>> appear in the display.
>> 
>> Still, when you start working with the concept of
microformats it's
>> tough to deny the usefulness.
>> 
>> -Ross.
>> 
>> On 7/27/06, Karen Coyle <kcoylekcoyle.net> wrote:
>>> I took a look at some of this and still can't
quite figure out what
>>> makes something a "microformat" as
opposed to a "format." (Yes, I read
>>> the definition page on the wiki.) Can anyone
articulate that? It just
>>> seems like an excuse to create YAF (yet another
format).
>>> 
>>> kc
>>> 
>>> Ross Singer wrote:
>>>> You'll also see librarians and their
'ilk' all over:
>>>> 
>>>> http://microfor
mats.org/wiki/citation
>>>> 
>>>> and
>>>> 
>>>> http://microformats.
org/wiki/uid
>>>> 
>>>> -Ross.
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/27/06, Jeremy Frumkin
<jeremy.frumkinoregonstate.edu> wrote:
>>>>> So, work related to microformats and
libraries is already underway.
>>>>> Check
>>>>> out the unAPI work (http://unapi.info/), which
evolved from earlier
>>>>> work on
>>>>> COinS (http://www.ocoins.info).
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- jaf
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/27/06 12:03 PM, "Keith D.
Engwall" <kengwallcatawba.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm curious as to what interest
there is among the library
>>>>> community for
>>>>>> Microformats (http://microformats.org).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm still getting my head wrapped
around them, but I think there's
>>>>>> potential for developing
microformats for digital collections,
>>> brief
>>>>>> catalog records, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For an excellent introduction to
what Microformats are, check out:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Digital Web Magazine: Microformats
Primer by Garrett Dimon
>>>>>> (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Microformats Wiki: Introduction to
Microformats
>>>>>> (http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/introduction)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>>> Keith Engwall
>>>>>> Head of Library Systems and
Technology
>>>>>> Catawba College
>>>>>> Salisbury, NC
>>>>>> kengwallcatawba.edu
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "For a successful technology,
reality must take precedence over
>>> public
>>>>>> relations, for nature cannot be
fooled." - Richard P. Feynman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>> Web4lib mailing list
>>>>>> Web4libwebjunction.org
>>>>>> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- jaf
>>>>> 
>>>>>
===============================================
>>>>> Jeremy Frumkin
>>>>> The Gray Chair for Innovative Library
Services
>>>>> 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State
University
>>>>> Corvallis OR 97331-4501
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeremy.Frumkinoregonstate.edu
>>>>> 
>>>>> 541.737.9928
>>>>> 541.737.3453 (Fax)
>>>>> 541.230.4483 (Cell)
>>>>>
===============================================
>>>>> " Without ambition one starts
nothing. Without work one finishes
>>>>> nothing. "
>>>>> - Emerson
>>>>> 
>>>>>
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