Re: Browsers to test

> It's pretty much impossible to get modern browsers and
legacy browsers to
> agree on the same code.  Browsers such as NS4 should be
obsoleted ASAP, same
> with IE4 and possibly IE5.  If you absolutely need to
support these
> browsers, you're probably better off redirecting them
to a bare-bones,
> text-only version of the site.

How about coding for modern browsers and hiding the styles
from
browsers or devices whoch don't support them?  Not only does
this
avoid the maintenance issues of a duplicate version of a
site, but a
site which can be used without its CSS will also make it
easier for
speech browsers and devices with limited CSS support (cell
phones
etc.)

> You should ensure you support at least one browser on
the three major
> operating systems.  Nothing bugs me more than a
Windows-only website!
> Firefox 2 is a definite since it's on all three (FF1 is
a maybe - any
> computer that can run FF2 can run FF1), Safari,
Konquerer, and Opera.

While not everyone has access to a Mac, an old PC which is
too slow
for modern applications might still be able to run the
latest version
of the Kubuntu Linux distribution so you could test with
Konqueror.
If that's all you want to do with it, you don't have to know
anything
about Linux to set it up.

-- 
Bob Sullivan
Schenectady Digital History Archive
<http://www.sch
enectadyhistory.org/>
Schenectady County (NY) Public Library
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There are sites such as BrowserCam that will take
"snapshots" of your
site using just about every browser out there...Browsercam
does cost,
but there is a free tool out there if you don't mind waiting
for the
shots. The name escapes me at the moment- anyone? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org 
> [mailto:web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:35 PM
> To: Andrew Hankinson
> Cc: web4libwebjunction.org
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Browsers to test
> 
> > It's pretty much impossible to get modern browsers
and 
> legacy browsers 
> > to agree on the same code.  Browsers such as NS4
should be 
> obsoleted 
> > ASAP, same with IE4 and possibly IE5.  If you
absolutely need to 
> > support these browsers, you're probably better off

> redirecting them to 
> > a bare-bones, text-only version of the site.
> 
> How about coding for modern browsers and hiding the
styles 
> from browsers or devices whoch don't support them?  Not
only 
> does this avoid the maintenance issues of a duplicate
version 
> of a site, but a site which can be used without its CSS
will 
> also make it easier for speech browsers and devices
with 
> limited CSS support (cell phones
> etc.)
> 
> > You should ensure you support at least one browser
on the 
> three major 
> > operating systems.  Nothing bugs me more than a 
> Windows-only website!
> > Firefox 2 is a definite since it's on all three
(FF1 is a 
> maybe - any 
> > computer that can run FF2 can run FF1), Safari,
Konquerer, 
> and Opera.
> 
> While not everyone has access to a Mac, an old PC which
is 
> too slow for modern applications might still be able to
run 
> the latest version of the Kubuntu Linux distribution so
you 
> could test with Konqueror.
> If that's all you want to do with it, you don't have to
know 
> anything about Linux to set it up.
> 
> --
> Bob Sullivan
> Schenectady Digital History Archive
> <http://www.sch
enectadyhistory.org/>
> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
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bjunction.org/web4lib/
> 
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There are sites such as BrowserCam that will take
"snapshots" of your
site using just about every browser out there...Browsercam
does cost,
but there is a free tool out there if you don't mind waiting
for the
shots. The name escapes me at the moment- anyone? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org 
> [mailto:web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:35 PM
> To: Andrew Hankinson
> Cc: web4libwebjunction.org
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Browsers to test
> 
> > It's pretty much impossible to get modern browsers
and 
> legacy browsers 
> > to agree on the same code.  Browsers such as NS4
should be 
> obsoleted 
> > ASAP, same with IE4 and possibly IE5.  If you
absolutely need to 
> > support these browsers, you're probably better off

> redirecting them to 
> > a bare-bones, text-only version of the site.
> 
> How about coding for modern browsers and hiding the
styles 
> from browsers or devices whoch don't support them?  Not
only 
> does this avoid the maintenance issues of a duplicate
version 
> of a site, but a site which can be used without its CSS
will 
> also make it easier for speech browsers and devices
with 
> limited CSS support (cell phones
> etc.)
> 
> > You should ensure you support at least one browser
on the 
> three major 
> > operating systems.  Nothing bugs me more than a 
> Windows-only website!
> > Firefox 2 is a definite since it's on all three
(FF1 is a 
> maybe - any 
> > computer that can run FF2 can run FF1), Safari,
Konquerer, 
> and Opera.
> 
> While not everyone has access to a Mac, an old PC which
is 
> too slow for modern applications might still be able to
run 
> the latest version of the Kubuntu Linux distribution so
you 
> could test with Konqueror.
> If that's all you want to do with it, you don't have to
know 
> anything about Linux to set it up.
> 
> --
> Bob Sullivan
> Schenectady Digital History Archive
> <http://www.sch
enectadyhistory.org/>
> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
> 
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On 5/29/07, Robert Sullivan <robert.g.sullivangmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It's pretty much impossible to get modern browsers
and legacy browsers
> to
> > agree on the same code.  Browsers such as NS4
should be obsoleted ASAP,
> same
> > with IE4 and possibly IE5.  If you absolutely need
to support these
> > browsers, you're probably better off redirecting
them to a bare-bones,
> > text-only version of the site.
>
> How about coding for modern browsers and hiding the
styles from
> browsers or devices whoch don't support them?  Not only
does this
> avoid the maintenance issues of a duplicate version of
a site, but a
> site which can be used without its CSS will also make
it easier for
> speech browsers and devices with limited CSS support
(cell phones
> etc.)


D'oh!  That's what I meant, the right words just didn't get
from my brain to
my fingers.

Of course, this also means that coding without using tables
for layout is
especially important.

> You should ensure you support at least one browser on
the three major
> > operating systems.  Nothing bugs me more than a
Windows-only website!
> > Firefox 2 is a definite since it's on all three
(FF1 is a maybe - any
> > computer that can run FF2 can run FF1), Safari,
Konquerer, and Opera.
>
> While not everyone has access to a Mac, an old PC which
is too slow
> for modern applications might still be able to run the
latest version
> of the Kubuntu Linux distribution so you could test
with Konqueror.
> If that's all you want to do with it, you don't have to
know anything
> about Linux to set it up.


Who needs a Mac to test Safari? ;)
There's a Windows Browser that uses WebKit (the same
rendering engine as
Safari) available as an Open Source project.

http://try.swift.ws/

I don't have access to a Windows machine, but it looks like
it's worth a
shot.

-A

--
> Bob Sullivan
> Schenectady Digital History Archive
> <http://www.sch
enectadyhistory.org/>
> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library
>
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On 5/29/07, Robert Sullivan <robert.g.sullivangmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It's pretty much impossible to get modern browsers
and legacy browsers
> to
> > agree on the same code.  Browsers such as NS4
should be obsoleted ASAP,
> same
> > with IE4 and possibly IE5.  If you absolutely need
to support these
> > browsers, you're probably better off redirecting
them to a bare-bones,
> > text-only version of the site.
>
> How about coding for modern browsers and hiding the
styles from
> browsers or devices whoch don't support them?  Not only
does this
> avoid the maintenance issues of a duplicate version of
a site, but a
> site which can be used without its CSS will also make
it easier for
> speech browsers and devices with limited CSS support
(cell phones
> etc.)


D'oh!  That's what I meant, the right words just didn't get
from my brain to
my fingers.

Of course, this also means that coding without using tables
for layout is
especially important.

> You should ensure you support at least one browser on
the three major
> > operating systems.  Nothing bugs me more than a
Windows-only website!
> > Firefox 2 is a definite since it's on all three
(FF1 is a maybe - any
> > computer that can run FF2 can run FF1), Safari,
Konquerer, and Opera.
>
> While not everyone has access to a Mac, an old PC which
is too slow
> for modern applications might still be able to run the
latest version
> of the Kubuntu Linux distribution so you could test
with Konqueror.
> If that's all you want to do with it, you don't have to
know anything
> about Linux to set it up.


Who needs a Mac to test Safari? ;)
There's a Windows Browser that uses WebKit (the same
rendering engine as
Safari) available as an Open Source project.

http://try.swift.ws/

I don't have access to a Windows machine, but it looks like
it's worth a
shot.

-A

--
> Bob Sullivan
> Schenectady Digital History Archive
> <http://www.sch
enectadyhistory.org/>
> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library
>
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At 01:41 PM 5/29/2007, Pons, Lisa (ponslm) wrote:
>Browsercam does cost,
>but there is a free tool out there if you don't mind
waiting for the
>shots. The name escapes me at the moment- anyone?

Are you thinking of http://browsershots.org/
?
It's free, but as you mentioned there is a wait, and it can
be a 
little iffy.  Still a fun tool to check the look of your
site on many 
different browsers. 

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At 01:41 PM 5/29/2007, Pons, Lisa (ponslm) wrote:
>Browsercam does cost,
>but there is a free tool out there if you don't mind
waiting for the
>shots. The name escapes me at the moment- anyone?

Are you thinking of http://browsershots.org/
?
It's free, but as you mentioned there is a wait, and it can
be a 
little iffy.  Still a fun tool to check the look of your
site on many 
different browsers. 

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