Re: The Ultimate Debate: Do Libraries Innovate?"

I'm also very interested in finding out how the
"Ultimate Debate" went.
I was a professional programmer for almost a decade, so I
tend to have
pretty strong feelings about the technical side of library
innovation.

My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC records
- until the
library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of data
storage, I
doubt that much will improve.  If anyone went to the event,
was that
discussed?  

Jesse Ephraim

Youth Services Librarian
Southlake Public Library
1400 Main Street, Suite 130
Southlake, TX  76092
(817) 748-8248
jephraimci.southlake.tx.us



  
   
  
   
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Didn't someone say it's going to be podcasted?

On 6/26/07, Jesse Ephraim <JEphraimci.southlake.tx.us>
wrote:
> I'm also very interested in finding out how the
"Ultimate Debate" went.
> I was a professional programmer for almost a decade, so
I tend to have
> pretty strong feelings about the technical side of
library innovation.
>
> My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC
records - until the
> library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of
data storage, I
> doubt that much will improve.  If anyone went to the
event, was that
> discussed?
>
> Jesse Ephraim
>
> Youth Services Librarian
> Southlake Public Library
> 1400 Main Street, Suite 130
> Southlake, TX  76092
> (817) 748-8248
> jephraimci.southlake.tx.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
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bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
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Didn't someone say it's going to be podcasted?

On 6/26/07, Jesse Ephraim <JEphraimci.southlake.tx.us>
wrote:
> I'm also very interested in finding out how the
"Ultimate Debate" went.
> I was a professional programmer for almost a decade, so
I tend to have
> pretty strong feelings about the technical side of
library innovation.
>
> My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC
records - until the
> library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of
data storage, I
> doubt that much will improve.  If anyone went to the
event, was that
> discussed?
>
> Jesse Ephraim
>
> Youth Services Librarian
> Southlake Public Library
> 1400 Main Street, Suite 130
> Southlake, TX  76092
> (817) 748-8248
> jephraimci.southlake.tx.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
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One problem with this type of statement:
"My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC
records - until the
library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of data
storage, I
doubt that much will improve."

It implies that there is one world wide monolithic group or
organization
known as "the library world."  It is much more
complicated than that.


-- 
Wilfred (Bill) Drew
Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference
Morrisville State College Library
E-mail: bill.drewgmail.com
AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4
My Wiki: http://billdrew.pbwiki.com

Wireless Librarian: http:
//people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/
Library: http://library.morris
ville.edu/
SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconne
ct.suny.edu/
My Blog:http://babybo
omerlibrarian.blogspot.com
Al Gore quoting an African proverb: "If you want to go
quickly, go alone.
But if you want to go far, go together."

On 6/26/07, Jesse Ephraim <JEphraimci.southlake.tx.us>
wrote:
>
> I'm also very interested in finding out how the
"Ultimate Debate" went.
> I was a professional programmer for almost a decade, so
I tend to have
> pretty strong feelings about the technical side of
library innovation.
>
> My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC
records - until the
> library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of
data storage, I
> doubt that much will improve.  If anyone went to the
event, was that
> discussed?
>
> Jesse Ephraim
>
> Youth Services Librarian
> Southlake Public Library
> 1400 Main Street, Suite 130
> Southlake, TX  76092
> (817) 748-8248
> jephraimci.southlake.tx.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
_______________________________________________
Web4lib mailing list
Web4libwebjunction.org
http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/

One problem with this type of statement:
"My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC
records - until the
library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of data
storage, I
doubt that much will improve."

It implies that there is one world wide monolithic group or
organization
known as "the library world."  It is much more
complicated than that.


-- 
Wilfred (Bill) Drew
Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference
Morrisville State College Library
E-mail: bill.drewgmail.com
AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4
My Wiki: http://billdrew.pbwiki.com

Wireless Librarian: http:
//people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/
Library: http://library.morris
ville.edu/
SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconne
ct.suny.edu/
My Blog:http://babybo
omerlibrarian.blogspot.com
Al Gore quoting an African proverb: "If you want to go
quickly, go alone.
But if you want to go far, go together."

On 6/26/07, Jesse Ephraim <JEphraimci.southlake.tx.us>
wrote:
>
> I'm also very interested in finding out how the
"Ultimate Debate" went.
> I was a professional programmer for almost a decade, so
I tend to have
> pretty strong feelings about the technical side of
library innovation.
>
> My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC
records - until the
> library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of
data storage, I
> doubt that much will improve.  If anyone went to the
event, was that
> discussed?
>
> Jesse Ephraim
>
> Youth Services Librarian
> Southlake Public Library
> 1400 Main Street, Suite 130
> Southlake, TX  76092
> (817) 748-8248
> jephraimci.southlake.tx.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>
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I was also a software engineer for many years before going
to work in
a library and starting an MLS program last year. I love
standards--there are so many of them.  I worked
with many data
standards that are not human-readable by any stretch of the
imagination, and standards that have features that no one
ever really
used, and I wrote many programs to convert one standard
format to
another. So I have no problem with MARC in that regard. If
anything,
the standard needs to be extended to include FRBR-like
linkages to
"same work, different format." But we must never
confuse any internal
standard with its external presentation to the end user.
Those are two
different things. Dublin Core seems to me like a case of
achieving
some sort of "universality" at the expense of a
great deal of
precision. I rather like MARCXML for its potential as a
"full
employment for software developers" standard. 

On 6/26/07, Jesse Ephraim <JEphraimci.southlake.tx.us>
wrote:
> I'm also very interested in finding out how the
"Ultimate Debate" went.
> I was a professional programmer for almost a decade, so
I tend to have
> pretty strong feelings about the technical side of
library innovation.
>
> My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC
records - until the
> library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of
data storage, I
> doubt that much will improve.  If anyone went to the
event, was that
> discussed?
>
> Jesse Ephraim
>
> Youth Services Librarian
> Southlake Public Library
> 1400 Main Street, Suite 130
> Southlake, TX  76092
> (817) 748-8248
> jephraimci.southlake.tx.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>


-- 
Sharon M. Foster
F/OSS Evangelist
Cheshire Public Library
104 Main Street
Cheshire, CT  06410
http://www.cheshirelib
rary.org

Any opinions expressed here are entirely my own.
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I was also a software engineer for many years before going
to work in
a library and starting an MLS program last year. I love
standards--there are so many of them.  I worked
with many data
standards that are not human-readable by any stretch of the
imagination, and standards that have features that no one
ever really
used, and I wrote many programs to convert one standard
format to
another. So I have no problem with MARC in that regard. If
anything,
the standard needs to be extended to include FRBR-like
linkages to
"same work, different format." But we must never
confuse any internal
standard with its external presentation to the end user.
Those are two
different things. Dublin Core seems to me like a case of
achieving
some sort of "universality" at the expense of a
great deal of
precision. I rather like MARCXML for its potential as a
"full
employment for software developers" standard. 

On 6/26/07, Jesse Ephraim <JEphraimci.southlake.tx.us>
wrote:
> I'm also very interested in finding out how the
"Ultimate Debate" went.
> I was a professional programmer for almost a decade, so
I tend to have
> pretty strong feelings about the technical side of
library innovation.
>
> My biggest pet peeve with library technology is MARC
records - until the
> library world is ready to move to a non-archaic form of
data storage, I
> doubt that much will improve.  If anyone went to the
event, was that
> discussed?
>
> Jesse Ephraim
>
> Youth Services Librarian
> Southlake Public Library
> 1400 Main Street, Suite 130
> Southlake, TX  76092
> (817) 748-8248
> jephraimci.southlake.tx.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4libwebjunction.org
> http://lists.we
bjunction.org/web4lib/
>


-- 
Sharon M. Foster
F/OSS Evangelist
Cheshire Public Library
104 Main Street
Cheshire, CT  06410
http://www.cheshirelib
rary.org

Any opinions expressed here are entirely my own.
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