Re: Re: Future of libraries

Leslie,
Look at this librarian's AKA.  She leads a double
existence.
Lloyd
-------------------------------------------------------

Hi, Tim
Thanks for the clarification. Sorry, but it wasn't clear (at
least to
me) that you meant to refer to the intellectual basis of
cataloging,
not the current use of library catalogs.

I do agree with you on tagging, though - I thought your
comments were
spot on there. When I search a library catalog, I'm looking
to see if
they have a book I want to read. I don't want to tag the
book's record
then, and I'm not likely to go back later and tag it after
I've read
it. Ditto on Amazon.

As I said in the Q&A, I'm not a cataloger, but I found
that whole
panel discussion absolutely fascinating. You and the other
participants did a great job.

Jean Hewlett
Regional Librarian, University of San Francisco

aka Riven Homewood
Director, Steelhead Public Library, Steelhead City,
SecondLife

All opinions are my own, and do not represent my employers.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Spalding <timlibrarything.com>
Date: Monday, July 7, 2008 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
To: Ms Norma Jean Hewlett <hewlettusfca.edu>
Cc: web4libwebjunction.org

 > Are you referring to me? I was on an ALA panel about
the future of
the
 > library catalog. It was in the morning. And I run a
popular Web 2.0
 > site. If not me, it's quite a coincidence and I'm
eager to hear who
 > you are speaking of.
 >
 > If so, pardon me for saying it, but I think you missed
my point. I
was
 > speaking about how the intellectual basis of
cataloging was rooted in
 > the physical card catalog. My repeated references to
the card catalog
 > and in-library use were to illustrate this point.
 >
 > In the Q&A I think I did at one point speak to
whether patrons will
 > tag in a catalog, and I indicated that do not, and
speculated as to
 > why. One reason is that much catalog use is in fact at
the library,
 > standing at some terminal. Another is that the user is
not in the
 > right frame of mind to tag—they are mostly finding
stuff they haven't
 > read yet, at which point both the urge to tag and the
knowledge
 > necessary for good tagging are absent. This is my
theory about why
 > library tagging programs have largely failed. (That
they have failed
 > is, however, not a matter for debate.)
 >
 > If you're interested in my talk, it is posted here
 > http://www.librarything.com/thingology/2008/07/future-o
f-
 > cataloging.php.
 >
 > Tim
 >
 > > At the recent ALA conference, it was brought home
to me quite
 > > forcefully that many people don't know we are
changing.
 > >
 > > I attended a full-morning panel discussion about
the future of the
 > > library catalog. One of the participants, who is
not affiliated
 > with a
 > > library and runs a popular web2.0 site,
repeatedly described people
 > > making a trip to the library and sitting down
there to use the
 > > catalog. When he spoke, it seemed as if nobody
ever logged into a
 > > library from their home computer, and so of
course people were
 > turning> to alternate sites like his.
 > >
 > > In fairness, it's quite possible that he was
consciously playing
 > > devil's advocate. But it did make me realize how
even well-informed
 > > people can be unaware of what libraries offer
these days.
 > >
 > > Jean Hewlett
 > > Regional Librarian, University of San Francisco
 > >
 > > All opinions are my own, and do not represent my
employer.
 > >
 > >
 > > ----- Original Message -----
 > > From: Bill Drew <drewwtc3.edu>
 > > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:02 pm
 > > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
 > > To: Chris Strauber <cstraubergmail.com>, Dan Lester
 > > <danriverofdata.com>, "B.G.
Sloan" <bgsloan2yahoo.com>
 > > Cc: web4libwebjunction.org
 > >
 > >> I wasn't singling out any one individual.  I
was just commenting
 > >> on the
 > >> general thread of the discussion.
 > >>
 > >> Bill Drew
 > >>
 > >> >>> "B.G. Sloan"
<bgsloan2yahoo.com> 7/7/2008 4:56 PM >>>
 > >>
 > >> Bill,
 > >>
 > >> I don't know if you are including any of my
posts on the
 > > ALA "futures"
 > >> panel discussion in your "handwringing
about all of our
 > handwringing>> about the future of
libraries" comment. If you are,
 > that's not
 > >> what I
 > >> was doing.
 > >>
 > >> I was simply saying I was getting tired of
the futurists' old
 > "change>> or die" spiel. The futurists
sometimes act as if
 > libraries are not
 > >> changing. Libraries are changing, although
some are changing
 > > more/less
 > >> than others.
 > >>
 > >> Bernie Sloan
 > >> Sora Associates
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Bill Drew <drewwtc3.edu> wrote:
 > >>
 > >> > From: Bill Drew <drewwtc3.edu>
 > >> > Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Future of
libraries
 > >> > To: "Chris Strauber"
<cstraubergmail.com>, "Dan Lester"
 > >> <danriverofdata.com>
 > >> > Cc: web4libwebjunction.org
 > >> > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:14 AM
 > >> > It has been interesting to read all of
the handwringing
 > >> > about all of our
 > >> > handwringing about the future of
libraries.  It is a major
 > >> > part of being
 > >> > a librarian to always being forward
looking and discussing
 > >> > the future.
 > >> > Why whine about that?  It makes no
sense.  The only
 > >> > constant in our
 > >> > profession for the last 50 years has
been change.  Just
 > >> > deal with it and
 > >> > move on.  Change is why I enjoy being a
librarian.
 > >> >
 > >> > Bill Drew
 > >> >
 > >> >
-----------------------------------------
 > >> > Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
 > >> > Assistant Professor
 > >> > Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
 > >> > Tompkins Cortland Community College 
(TC3) Library:
 > >> > http://www.tc3.edu/librar
y/
 > >> > Dryden, N.Y. 13053-0139
 > >> > E-mail: drewwtc3.edu
 > >> > Phone: 607-844-8222 ext.4406
 > >> > AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4
 > >> > Online Identity: http://claimID.com/billdr
ew
 > >> > StrengthsQuest: Ideation, Input,
Learner, Activator,
 > >> > Communication
 > >> > http://www.
facebook.com/people/Bill_Drew/
 > >> >
 > >> >
 > >> >
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Lloyd, Leslie, and others,

This is not unusual ... In my own experience, I have found
many librarians
and a handful of archivists who have just such multiple
existences ...

Librarians, in particular, have tended to be at the
forefront of adopting
new technologies ... Not the profession, necessarily, but
individuals
within.

Best,

Dennis 
aka "AldoManutio Abruzzo, voted Best of Second Life,
2007: Live Performer"

-- 
Dennis Moser, Digital Services Librarian
The Clement C. Maxwell Library, Room 305
Bridgewater State College
Bridgewater, MA  02325
Tel: 508-531-1235 / Fax: 508-531-1702
e-mail: dennis.moserbridgew.edu
web: http://www.bridgew.edu



On 7/11/08 8:09 PM, "Lloyd Davidson"
<ldavidsnorthwestern.edu> wrote:

> Leslie,
> Look at this librarian's AKA.  She leads a double
existence.
> Lloyd
>
-------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi, Tim
> Thanks for the clarification. Sorry, but it wasn't
clear (at least to
> me) that you meant to refer to the intellectual basis
of cataloging,
> not the current use of library catalogs.
> 
> I do agree with you on tagging, though - I thought your
comments were
> spot on there. When I search a library catalog, I'm
looking to see if
> they have a book I want to read. I don't want to tag
the book's record
> then, and I'm not likely to go back later and tag it
after I've read
> it. Ditto on Amazon.
> 
> As I said in the Q&A, I'm not a cataloger, but I
found that whole
> panel discussion absolutely fascinating. You and the
other
> participants did a great job.
> 
> Jean Hewlett
> Regional Librarian, University of San Francisco
> 
> aka Riven Homewood
> Director, Steelhead Public Library, Steelhead City,
SecondLife
> 
> All opinions are my own, and do not represent my
employers.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Spalding <timlibrarything.com>
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008 3:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
> To: Ms Norma Jean Hewlett <hewlettusfca.edu>
> Cc: web4libwebjunction.org
> 



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FYI: There are hundreds of real life librarians and
library-loving
volunteers working in Second Life. If you haven't had a
chance to check out
SL yet, the best place to start is at the library where you
will be warmly
welcomed and have all your questions answered. (Just like
real life!)

More information: http://infoisland.org/  or
google "Second Life Library" to
learn more.

Pat Rapp
aka Rebekah Cavan, et al.
: )

-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib-bounceswebjunction.org] On Behalf Of Moser,
Dennis
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:23 AM
To: Lloyd Davidson; Leslie Bjorncrantz
Cc: rivenhomewoodgmail.com; web4libwebjunction.org
Subject: [Web4lib] Second (and Third!) Life/Lives

Lloyd, Leslie, and others,

This is not unusual ... In my own experience, I have found
many librarians
and a handful of archivists who have just such multiple
existences ...

Librarians, in particular, have tended to be at the
forefront of adopting
new technologies ... Not the profession, necessarily, but
individuals
within.

Best,

Dennis
aka "AldoManutio Abruzzo, voted Best of Second Life,
2007: Live Performer"

--
Dennis Moser, Digital Services Librarian The Clement C.
Maxwell Library,
Room 305 Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA  02325
Tel: 508-531-1235 / Fax: 508-531-1702
e-mail: dennis.moserbridgew.edu
web: http://www.bridgew.edu



On 7/11/08 8:09 PM, "Lloyd Davidson"
<ldavidsnorthwestern.edu> wrote:

> Leslie,
> Look at this librarian's AKA.  She leads a double
existence.
> Lloyd
>
-------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi, Tim
> Thanks for the clarification. Sorry, but it wasn't
clear (at least to
> me) that you meant to refer to the intellectual basis
of cataloging,
> not the current use of library catalogs.
> 
> I do agree with you on tagging, though - I thought your
comments were
> spot on there. When I search a library catalog, I'm
looking to see if
> they have a book I want to read. I don't want to tag
the book's record
> then, and I'm not likely to go back later and tag it
after I've read
> it. Ditto on Amazon.
> 
> As I said in the Q&A, I'm not a cataloger, but I
found that whole
> panel discussion absolutely fascinating. You and the
other
> participants did a great job.
> 
> Jean Hewlett
> Regional Librarian, University of San Francisco
> 
> aka Riven Homewood
> Director, Steelhead Public Library, Steelhead City,
SecondLife
> 
> All opinions are my own, and do not represent my
employers.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Spalding <timlibrarything.com>
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008 3:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
> To: Ms Norma Jean Hewlett <hewlettusfca.edu>
> Cc: web4libwebjunction.org
> 



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