Looking for a Programmer

Job Posting:
NOTE: I am just relaying this message, please reply or send
your resume to the appropriate person below. Thanks! -rowel

A leading firm in the broadcast industry is in need of:

Computer Programmer

 Minimum Qualifications:

+ Male or Female
+ 22 – 29 years old
+ Graduate of Computer Science or Computer Engineering or
Business Administration
+ With at least 1 year experience using VB.Net, Database
Administration and System Administration of Linux &
Windows Server.
+ Good Scholastic Record

For qualified and interested applicants, please send your
detailed resume together with transcript of records and 2x2
picture either by mail or email to:

Mr. James Paglinawan

HR & Admin. Services Department

Star City, Sotto St., CCP Complex, Roxas Blvd.
Pasay City
E-mail     :     jpaglinawanmbcradio.net



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On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 03:13 +0800, Joey . wrote:
> just out of curiosity guys.
>  
> Object : Man
> Man.Occupation : Programmer
> Man.Sex : Male 
> Man.Age : 20
> 
> what's your take about this age limit,male or
female,pleasing
> personality,etc..etc..
>  
> i mean, in this list..
>  
> if Man.Occupation = 'Programmer' then
>    if Man.Age < 20 or Man.Age > 29
>      then Man.Hired = False
>    else 
>      Man.Hired = False
> 
> this is discriminatory i would say?

no. this is lame.  any good programmer can get work easily.
it's not even that hard to convince employers that they
should
hire you even if you don't match the profile exactly.  there
is
a serious dearth of strong developers out there.

if you see a job posting, send an email with your resume.
it's free.  if they reject you, that's fine, lots of other
companies to work for out there. it's their loss.  if you
feel strongly enough about it, test it in the law by
taking out a lawsuit.  if the law is against you, talk to
your congressperson. maybe he/she will file a bill.  

i prefer to not have anything to do with the law or the
government (some things you can't avoid, like driver's
licenses and taxes, but i do everything i can to stay away
from the government), but if you care enough, well maybe
you
can get something done (doubt it though, laws in the
philippines
exist in order to be broken, sad but true).

in any case, i'm for being pro-active.  don't whine about
discriminatory this or that.  it's so hard to hire good
developers that the market is on your side.  if you're
good.
if you're not yet so good that you can dazzle employers
into
giving you a job even if you're not female and 21, then 
learning new/popular technologies is the way to go.

if the employer has blinders and won't consider you because
you're not female and 21, then you don't want to work
there.
life is too short to work for stupid employers.

tiger

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Sabi ni Joey noong Friday 29 February 2008 19:13:24:
> just out of curiosity guys.
>
> Object : ManMan.Occupation : ProgrammerMan.Sex : Male
Man.Age : 20
> what's your take about this age limit,male or
female,pleasing
> personality,etc..etc..
>
> i mean, in this list..
>
> if Man.Occupation = 'Programmer' then
>    if Man.Age < 20 or Man.Age > 29
>      then Man.Hired = False
>    else
>      Man.Hired = False
> this is discriminatory i would say?

In the first place, the if statement is overused -- try

Man.Hired=(Man.Occupation='Programmer' and not (Man.Age <
20 or Man.Age > 29))

Whoa, there must be a typo somewhere in your code snippet,
since Man.Hired 
gets assigned the False value either way.

And, come to think of it, isn't the choice of
"Man" as the object identifier 
itself discriminatory?

All kidding aside, and as someone who's, ahem, over 29, I
don't always 
understand the age limits, although I have to admit that I
haven't had the 
need to hire anyone or specify qualifications for a job
opening. My guess is 
that the minimum age of 20 is based on the belief that
someone who's at least 
21 is presumed to be mature enough to perform the job and,
more importantly, 
be able to adjust to the corporate culture. As to the
maximum age of 29, I'm 
guessing that, first, the job is entry-level, and that the
recruiter believes 
that anyone over 29 looking for an entry-level job is either
a loser or 
overqualified. Furthermore, those over 29 have accumulated
work habits that 
may not fit in with the corporate culture and are perceived
to be "too old" 
to adjust.

So how about the more senior positions that still have a
maximum age? Again, 
as someone "over 29", I have to question those age
limits, but heck, I'm not 
the one hiring, and if a company chooses to value age over
other attributes, 
it's their problem, and I'd actually thank them for
rejecting my application 
based on my age, because they're not a group I'd like to
work with.

Lastly, have you looked at job boards, especially those
looking for 
international contractors? I myself don't have much fondness
for bidding for 
projects, but you may mind it less. As an aside, the oDesk 
(http://www.odesk.com)
contractor of the month last January was a Filipino 
based in Cavite. He made $50,000 last year, working
part-time. And I bet he 
didn't have to underprice, so employers were looking for
quality and not the 
lowest bid.

-- 
Daniel O. Escasa
independent IT consultant and writer
contributor, Free Software Magazine (http://www.freeso
ftwaremagazine.com)
personal blog at http://descasa.i.ph
If we choose being kind over being right, we will be right
every time.
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