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Re: MIDI over WiFi
country flaguser name
United States
2007-03-31 12:27:07
On Mar 31, 2007, at 5:26 AM,  Jens M Andreasen wrote:

> What I wonder is; wouldn't it be possible to bypass
this USB radio
> transmitter/recaiver dongle-thingie and fast forward to
the wireless
> capabilities already built in to most of modern
portable devices sold
> today? Hey, even the OLPC aimed at third world children
have this
> capability ...


If you access to two OS X machines for a few minutes, run
the
Network MIDI Driver over Airport (Network MIDI Driver
described here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul05/articles/tiger.h
tm#3

You'll see it works OK, even with the 1-2% packet loss that
the IP
layer sees on a typical WiFi network.  Apple's
implementation uses
IETF RFC 4695 (a.k.a. RTP MIDI) as the transport layer,
which
includes a resiliency system (the recovery journal) for
handling
an arbitrary number of lost packets with only transient
artifacts.

More on RTP MIDI here:

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/rtpmidi/index.html


Note that there are actually third-party products now
compatible
with Apple's protocol, although these products are for wired
networks.
And, last time I checked didn't implement the recovery
journal
part of the RTP MIDI (and so can't be trusted over switches
that
lose packets -- although my info on the product might be out
of date):

http://www.kiss-
box.com/products.pdf


> It kind of puzzles me that this is not happening
already ...


I haven't looked into the issue in detail, but for my own
use wireless
only makes sense if I don't have to be constantly worrying
about
the battery life of the device.  At the moment, what I see
in
the state of the art in portable WiFi chips -- the chip in
the Sony
PSP and the chip in the Microsoft Zune -- is not too
encouraging
in this regard.  But hopefully in a few generations of chip
designs
this will get better.  This review:

http:
//emusician.com/midi/emusic_maudio_midair/

make the point well of how limiting the battery life can be
for
a MIDI wireless controller right now.


---
John Lazzaro
http://www.cs.ber
keley.edu/~lazzaro
lazzaro [at] cs [dot] berkeley [dot] edu
---



Re: Re: MIDI over WiFi
country flaguser name
United States
2007-03-31 13:01:05
> make the point well of how limiting the battery life
can be for
> a MIDI wireless controller right now.

$2.99 will get you a 15 foot (~5 meter) USB 2.0 cable 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E
NE&N=2000010001+1177512103+1177412128&name=11+-+15+f
t.
theres also 16 foot cables, with a buffered repeater on the
end, of which 5 can be chained for 90 feet. no idea about
latency in this case..

plus, it will power the device.

what about MIDI over bluetooth? i'm thinking OSC over
bluetooth, and a rechargable AA battery in each device, so
long as thats enough to last ~1 hr

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