LFS and AMD64

I’m not really sure where to post this, but I hope to save
some people
time in troubleshooting the problem I had.  Googling did not
help until
near the end, but that's a matter of asking the right
question.

I bought a new motherboard, the Asus M2A-VM, and planned to
install LFS on
it.  I quickly encountered a problem.  I had gotten too
close to the
cutting edge.  The LFS live CD and most distros will not
boot on it.  Most
distros give a “console shuts up    kernel panic” message,
which
apparently is due to an unrecognized NMI.  I also got “PCI: 
Cannot
allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:14.0”. 
Acpi=no, noapic
nolapic do not help.  When I tried running Fedora with the
noprobe option,
it complained that it could not find the SATA driver.

The problem appeared to be the driver for the new AMD SB600
Southbridge
chip.  It handles PATA and SATA.  I found that support for
this chip did
not appear until the Linux 2.6.20 kernel.  The LFS live CD
unfortunately
appears to use 2.6.18, so that won’t work for me.  Fedora
and Ubuntu won’t
work, although beta versions might.  I suspect that when
they offer new
versions with GNOME 2.18, they will also use the 2.16.20
kernel.

Suse 10.2 works but it has a problem setting video
resolution for X
Windows.  Arch Linux’s latest iso will also boot.  I think
I’ll try using
Arch to build LFS.

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En 10/04/2007 12:09:34, <dperkinsfrii.com> escribiĂł:

> I’m not really sure where to post this, but I hope to
save some people
> time in troubleshooting the problem I had.  Googling
did not help until
> near the end, but that's a matter of asking the right
question.
>
> I bought a new motherboard, the Asus M2A-VM, and
planned to install LFS  
> on
> it.  I quickly encountered a problem.  I had gotten too
close to the
> cutting edge.  The LFS live CD and most distros will
not boot on it.   
> Most
> distros give a “console shuts up    kernel panic”
message, which
> apparently is due to an unrecognized NMI.  I also got
“PCI:  Cannot
> allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:14.0”. 
Acpi=no, noapic
> nolapic do not help.  When I tried running Fedora with
the noprobe  
> option,
> it complained that it could not find the SATA driver.
>
> The problem appeared to be the driver for the new AMD
SB600 Southbridge
> chip.  It handles PATA and SATA.  I found that support
for this chip did
> not appear until the Linux 2.6.20 kernel.  The LFS live
CD unfortunately
> appears to use 2.6.18, so that won’t work for me. 
Fedora and Ubuntu  
> won’t
> work, although beta versions might.  I suspect that
when they offer new
> versions with GNOME 2.18, they will also use the
2.16.20 kernel.
>
> Suse 10.2 works but it has a problem setting video
resolution for X
> Windows.  Arch Linux’s latest iso will also boot.  I
think I’ll try using
> Arch to build LFS.
>

Have you tried Slamd64? it's based on slackware and worked
good for me on  
a dual amd 64 setup. It's fine for a host to build lfs
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On 4/10/07, dperkinsfrii.com <dperkinsfrii.com> wrote:
>
> I bought a new motherboard, the Asus M2A-VM, and
planned to install LFS on
> it.  I quickly encountered a problem.  I had gotten too
close to the
> cutting edge.  The LFS live CD and most distros will
not boot on it.  Most
> distros give a "console shuts up    kernel
panic" message, which
> apparently is due to an unrecognized NMI.  I also got
"PCI:  Cannot
> allocate resource region 1 of device
0000:00:14.0".  Acpi=no, noapic
> nolapic do not help.  When I tried running Fedora with
the noprobe option,
> it complained that it could not find the SATA driver.

I had a similar problem with a newer Asus motherboard that
uses a
JMicron controller for the PATA interfaces. These aren't
supported in
the kernel on the current LFS LiveCD. Alexander suggested I
try the
6.3-pre1 version which has a newer kernel. I never got
around to it,
though, as I'd already moved on by then.

Another approach that worked was to use the LiveCD from
paldo (very
similar to LFS).

http://www.paldo.org/index-section-packages-page-liv
ecd.html

This also has a newer kernel, even in the stable version.
It's not
quite as nice as the LFS LiveCD and doesn't include the
sources/jhalfs, obviously. The other issue is that it
defaults to a
Swiss keyboard/fonts on the console and there's no simple
way to
configure it prior to boot. If you go this way, be sure
you're
familiar with setfont and kbd utilities if you want US
English support
on the console.

Finally, the Fedora Core 7 prerelease is working for me.
This is
basically Rawhide, though.

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> En 10/04/2007 12:09:34, <dperkinsfrii.com> escribiĂł:
>
>> I’m not really sure where to post this, but I
hope to save some people
>> time in troubleshooting the problem I had. 
Googling did not help until
>> near the end, but that's a matter of asking the
right question.
>>
>> I bought a new motherboard, the Asus M2A-VM, and
planned to install LFS
>> on
>> it.  I quickly encountered a problem.  I had gotten
too close to the
>> cutting edge.  The LFS live CD and most distros
will not boot on it.
>> Most
>> distros give a “console shuts up    kernel
panic” message, which
>> apparently is due to an unrecognized NMI.  I also
got “PCI:  Cannot
>> allocate resource region 1 of device
0000:00:14.0”.  Acpi=no, noapic
>> nolapic do not help.  When I tried running Fedora
with the noprobe
>> option,
>> it complained that it could not find the SATA
driver.
>>
>> The problem appeared to be the driver for the new
AMD SB600 Southbridge
>> chip.  It handles PATA and SATA.  I found that
support for this chip did
>> not appear until the Linux 2.6.20 kernel.  The LFS
live CD unfortunately
>> appears to use 2.6.18, so that won’t work for me.
 Fedora and Ubuntu
>> won’t
>> work, although beta versions might.  I suspect that
when they offer new
>> versions with GNOME 2.18, they will also use the
2.16.20 kernel.
>>
>> Suse 10.2 works but it has a problem setting video
resolution for X
>> Windows.  Arch Linux’s latest iso will also boot.
 I think I’ll try
>> using
>> Arch to build LFS.
>>
>
> Have you tried Slamd64? it's based on slackware and
worked good for me on
> a dual amd 64 setup. It's fine for a host to build lfs
> --

I'm not familiar with Slamd64.  I'll take a look at it.

I'll probably still try Arch to see how it does things.  I
did notice that
it puts X.org into /usr instead of /usr/X11.  I guess X.org
changed its
default location.

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--- dperkinsfrii.com wrote:

> I’m not really sure where to post this, but I hope
> to save some people
> time in troubleshooting the problem I had.  Googling
> did not help until
> near the end, but that's a matter of asking the
> right question.
> 
> I bought a new motherboard, the Asus M2A-VM, and
> planned to install LFS on
> it.  I quickly encountered a problem.  I had gotten
> too close to the
> cutting edge.  The LFS live CD and most distros will
> not boot on it.  Most
> distros give a “console shuts up    kernel panic”
> message, which
> apparently is due to an unrecognized NMI.  I also
> got “PCI:  Cannot
> allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:14.0”. 
> Acpi=no, noapic
> nolapic do not help.  When I tried running Fedora
> with the noprobe option,
> it complained that it could not find the SATA
> driver.
> 
> The problem appeared to be the driver for the new
> AMD SB600 Southbridge
> chip.  It handles PATA and SATA.  I found that
> support for this chip did
> not appear until the Linux 2.6.20 kernel.  The LFS
> live CD unfortunately
> appears to use 2.6.18, so that won’t work for me. 
> Fedora and Ubuntu won’t
> work, although beta versions might.  I suspect that
> when they offer new
> versions with GNOME 2.18, they will also use the
> 2.16.20 kernel.
> 
> Suse 10.2 works but it has a problem setting video
> resolution for X
> Windows.  Arch Linux’s latest iso will also boot.  I
> think I’ll try using
> Arch to build LFS.
> 
>

For what it's worth,
I recently bought a FoxConn, K8M890M2MA-RS2H AM2
board.
via Chipset on it, with the "Winfast" bios.
[ I can post full spec as read by several distros if
anyone wants ]

Fedora 6, Mandriva 2006 and 7, PCLinuxOS, Debian all
work perfectly, Suse 10.1 and 10.2 lock up during
boot.
both lfs-livecd 6.2 and 6.3-pre-1 work perfectly
[ yes, Suse will not work on this system at all ]

limitation in the board of 2 GB DDR2 ram, and DDR2 is
the only ram type supported.
both Sata and Pata supported.
ob video, sound, nic.
[ retailer supplied addon video card, Asus EN6200TC,
based on the NVidia 6200 chipset. ]
I have noticed that the xorg nv driver has an issue,
it will leave a mouse pointer cursor in the lower
right corner of the display, the NVidia drivers don't
have this issue.

Just for the record, since this is an AMD AM2 64bit
system, that I have running lfs to send this.

Jaqui


      
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On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 09:09 -0600, dperkinsfrii.com
wrote:

> The problem appeared to be the driver for the new AMD
SB600 Southbridge
> chip.  It handles PATA and SATA.  I found that support
for this chip did
> not appear until the Linux 2.6.20 kernel.  The LFS live
CD unfortunately
> appears to use 2.6.18, so that won’t work for me. 
Fedora and Ubuntu won’t
> work, although beta versions might.  I suspect that
when they offer new
> versions with GNOME 2.18, they will also use the
2.16.20 kernel.

I don't know about Fedora, but I've got the Ubuntu 7.04 beta
(which will
be finalized as a release sometime this month) on my laptop:

carsonperegrine:~$ uname -srm
Linux 2.6.20-14-generic i686
carsonperegrine:~$ 

I'd be surprised if they downgraded the kernel version for
the release.

CMC

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I had a similar problem with a newer Asus motherboard that
uses a
> JMicron controller for the PATA interfaces. These
aren't supported in
> the kernel on the current LFS LiveCD. Alexander
suggested I try the
> 6.3-pre1 version which has a newer kernel. I never got
around to it,
> though, as I'd already moved on by then.
>
> Another approach that worked was to use the LiveCD from
paldo (very
> similar to LFS).
>
> http://www.paldo.org/index-section-packages-page-liv
ecd.html
>
> This also has a newer kernel, even in the stable
version. It's not
> quite as nice as the LFS LiveCD and doesn't include
the
> sources/jhalfs, obviously. The other issue is that it
defaults to a
> Swiss keyboard/fonts on the console and there's no
simple way to
> configure it prior to boot. If you go this way, be sure
you're
> familiar with setfont and kbd utilities if you want US
English support
> on the console.
>
> Finally, the Fedora Core 7 prerelease is working for
me. This is
> basically Rawhide, though.
>
> --
> Dan
>   

I will take a look into updating the liveCD's kernel version
and 
pre-package.

Matt

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dperkinsfrii.com wrote:
<snip />
> The problem appeared to be the driver for the new AMD
SB600 Southbridge
> chip.  It handles PATA and SATA.  I found that support
for this chip did
> not appear until the Linux 2.6.20 kernel.  The LFS live
CD unfortunately
> appears to use 2.6.18, so that won’t work for me.  

If you have another computer (which presumably you do have
as you can 
send email), there is a document in the trunk which explains
how to 
re-master the liveCD. You could probably just re-build your
liveCD with 
the latest kernel... Here's the link to the doc: 
http://wiki.linuxfromscratc
h.org/livecd/browser/trunk/doc/lfscd-remastering-howto.txt

Hope this might help too.

Alan

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> dperkinsfrii.com wrote:
> <snip />
>> The problem appeared to be the driver for the new
AMD SB600 Southbridge
>> chip.  It handles PATA and SATA.  I found that
support for this chip did
>> not appear until the Linux 2.6.20 kernel.  The LFS
live CD unfortunately
>> appears to use 2.6.18, so that won’t work for me.
>
> If you have another computer (which presumably you do
have as you can
> send email), there is a document in the trunk which
explains how to
> re-master the liveCD. You could probably just re-build
your liveCD with
> the latest kernel... Here's the link to the doc:
> http://wiki.linuxfromscratc
h.org/livecd/browser/trunk/doc/lfscd-remastering-howto.txt
>
> Hope this might help too.
>
> Alan
>
> --

I do.  My intent was to mention it so others could avoid the
time I spent
troubleshooting the problem.  Googling wasn't effective
since the "console
shuts up  kernel panic" message did not lead to a
solution.

Updating the Live CD is a good idea.  I'll look at the doc.

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