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United States
2007-09-07 07:13:36
Consider the following case: Converting from Lab -> CMYK
using the BtoA
tables of an ICC profile with "Absolute
Colorimetric" as a rendering intent.

As I understand it, the ICC profile does not contain an
Absolute
colorimetric BtoA table. Rather, it will use the relative
colorimetric
BtoA table, along with whitepoint data, for any look-ups it
makes.

Can anyone explain what algorithm is used for these
conversions between
relative and absolute colorimetric?

Is it simply adding/subtracting the DeltaE between the
whitepoint and
100,0,0 ? Is this delta value added for all points in the
color space? 
Only for points where L is above a certain limit?

Any information is appreciated.


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Re:
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Spain
2007-09-08 04:38:42
Hi,

You are right; absolute colorimetric is not stored in the
profile. 
Instead, BToA1 tag is used with a white point scaling. The
algorithm 
is rather simple, it is performed on XYZ color space and it
is only 
a plain scaling.

AbsCol = RelCol * (MediaWhite / D50)

For each of the tristimulous:

Xabs = Xrel * (Xwtpt/0.9642)
Yabs = Yrel * (Ywtpt/1.0)
Zabs = Zrel * (Zwtpt/0.8249)

Latest revision of ICC spec, however, specifies a DToB3 tag,
which stores 
floating-point absolute colorimetric intent. But this is an
optional tag
and AFAIK very few CMM (if any) actually supports this tag
(lcms doesn't)


Hope this helps

Marti Maria
The littleCMS project
www.littlecms.com


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Subject: [Lcms-user] [Fwd: Using BtoA1 table with rendering
intent absolute]

Consider the following case: Converting from Lab -> CMYK
using the BtoA
tables of an ICC profile with "Absolute
Colorimetric" as a rendering intent.

As I understand it, the ICC profile does not contain an
Absolute
colorimetric BtoA table. Rather, it will use the relative
colorimetric
BtoA table, along with whitepoint data, for any look-ups it
makes.

Can anyone explain what algorithm is used for these
conversions between
relative and absolute colorimetric?

Is it simply adding/subtracting the DeltaE between the
whitepoint and
100,0,0 ? Is this delta value added for all points in the
color space? 
Only for points where L is above a certain limit?

Any information is appreciated.


-- 
John Weissberg
PerfectProof - Accuracy Made Easy

www.perfectproof.com
www.printers-website.com
www.proofmaster.net
pakready.perfectproof.com

USA
(888) 623 3662 Tel.
(888) 623 3662 FAX

Europe
+32 15 272502 Tel.
+32 15 273740 FAX


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(888) 623 3662 FAX

Europe
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Re:
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Italy
2007-09-11 05:46:01
Marti,
   why a simple scaling is done? A chromatic adaptation 
could be executed instead?
Giovanni Brembati


On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:38:42 +0200
  "Marti Maria" <marti.marialittlecms.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You are right; absolute colorimetric is not stored in 
>the profile. 
> Instead, BToA1 tag is used with a white point scaling.

>The algorithm 
> is rather simple, it is performed on XYZ color space
and 
>it is only 
> a plain scaling.
> 
> AbsCol = RelCol * (MediaWhite / D50)
> 
>For each of the tristimulous:
> 
> Xabs = Xrel * (Xwtpt/0.9642)
> Yabs = Yrel * (Ywtpt/1.0)
> Zabs = Zrel * (Zwtpt/0.8249)
> 
> Latest revision of ICC spec, however, specifies a DToB3

>tag, which stores 
> floating-point absolute colorimetric intent. But this
is 
>an optional tag
> and AFAIK very few CMM (if any) actually supports this

>tag (lcms doesn't)
> 
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Marti Maria
> The littleCMS project
> www.littlecms.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>From: lcms-user-bounceslists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:lcms-user-bounceslists.sourceforge.net] On 
>Behalf Of John Weissberg
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:14 PM
> To: lcms-userlists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Lcms-user] [Fwd: Using BtoA1 table with 
>rendering intent absolute]
> 
> Consider the following case: Converting from Lab ->
CMYK 
>using the BtoA
> tables of an ICC profile with "Absolute
Colorimetric" as 
>a rendering intent.
> 
> As I understand it, the ICC profile does not contain an

>Absolute
> colorimetric BtoA table. Rather, it will use the 
>relative colorimetric
> BtoA table, along with whitepoint data, for any
look-ups 
>it makes.
> 
> Can anyone explain what algorithm is used for these 
>conversions between
> relative and absolute colorimetric?
> 
> Is it simply adding/subtracting the DeltaE between the

>whitepoint and
> 100,0,0 ? Is this delta value added for all points in 
>the color space? 
> Only for points where L is above a certain limit?
> 
> Any information is appreciated.
> 
> 
> -- 
> John Weissberg
> PerfectProof - Accuracy Made Easy
> 
> www.perfectproof.com
> www.printers-website.com
> www.proofmaster.net
> pakready.perfectproof.com
> 
> USA
> (888) 623 3662 Tel.
> (888) 623 3662 FAX
> 
> Europe
> +32 15 272502 Tel.
> +32 15 273740 FAX
> 
> 
> -- 
> John Weissberg
> PerfectProof - Accuracy Made Easy
> 
> www.perfectproof.com
> www.printers-website.com
> www.proofmaster.net
> pakready.perfectproof.com
> 
> USA
> (888) 623 3662 Tel.
> (888) 623 3662 FAX
> 
> Europe
> +32 15 272502 Tel.
> +32 15 273740 FAX
> 
>
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