> Hi all!
>
> Well, I've been already online at #logilogi but now I'm
also catching
> up the mailing list. I'll respond short by now just
with some coments.
Ok.
> First of all, thanks all for the birthday greetings, we
had a party
> over my home and we had a great time.
Good to hear that all was great!...
I also had quite a nice weekend. We played Risk from 20:00
till 03:30,
various card games the other day, had great conversations,
and we went
for nice walks in the country-side ;)
I received mail this weekend that it is confirmed that the
Nijmegen
students are going to come and work with us on Manta...!
> > But first of all: a warm welcome to Miguel! Even
if we know him already
> > for some time. Among other things he created the
javascript for the
> > link-pop-overs, which is a nifty bit of code to
say the least... 
>
> It's really great that he'll be working at LL for
points on his career!
Indeed! I already really like his work on the pop-overs!
They are
positioned rightly now, and apart from the mouse-out
closing, already
as they should ideally be... (both in
IE 7 and FF 2 as I've just
tested...
> > Anyway, hereby the Manta roadmap, as I currently
see it.
> >
> > First of all the priorities:
> > 1) Getting the pre-alpha to Live status as soon
as possible
> > 2) Doing things that make a difference to the
end-user
> >
> > Then what needs doing:
> > * Logi's as HTML for WYSIWYG-integration - /me is
almost done with this
> > * Link-editing/adding from the editor
> > * Comment-editing/adding from the wizzards (the
+comment button)
> > * Multi-browser layout
>
> What's been up with Andrew? the new color scheme?
should we take care
> of his layout and work on it from now on?
I don't know; honestly. I SMS-ed him a few times in fall,
but I heard
nothing from him. So I guess he is - as he was before - most
likely
occupied by other things at the moment...
I think about asking the Nijmegen students to have a look at
the
color-scheme, and come up with a modified one... So yes; we
can work
on it from now...
> > Then very soon - after some weeks - we make Manta
live, and move it to
> > logilogi.org, instead of logilogi.org:3000/
>
> we should schedule a party when this happens... at
least a IRC-party!
Indeed
> > After that I think we need to focus on two
things:
> > 1) Getting people to use Manta
> > 2) Responding wisely to their needs, wishes, and
feature-requests
> >
> > In terms of tasks for when there is not a good
feature they might
> > want, we could think of:
> > * Displaying comments in the style of the
comments on the GPL-3 (with
> > red marker, possibly only visible on mouse-over
of a paragraph).
> > Been thinking about this, but it may be sensible
to differentiate
> > between links and short comments. We can discuss
this & I will write
> > more on it later anyway (but comment & ask
& suggest! .
>
> As we've dicussed before, I see that as LL get's more
complex as a
> tool, and for example, we need to differentiate between
linked text,
> selected text, commented text, and so on, we need to be
very clear and
> consistent through the entire system. For example,
linked text should
> always have the same style accross LL, then there could
be buttons
> that should always be the same. Then we could also have
some spected
> interactions, like when hover on a Logi's text it could
have some
> reaction, like showing the commented texts, or just
some small detail
> that shows that when you mouse-hover the logi-text you
get a reaction,
> hopefully with more information.
Indeed. I agree. My idea was to start with just links via
two
different wizzards; a comment-wizzard, and a link-wizzard.
These will
then produce 2 different link-types.
This will give us already 80% of the advantages with 20% of
the
code...
Later on we can display them differently; for example
comments
(usually about longer spans of text) with red-colored
(gradations of)
text-background on mouse-over...
We could then on clicking have something popping over the
right-side
menus in which a snippet of the comment is shown...
Not that this is very definite right now, but just some idea
of a
general direction. We might later also decide to allow
shouts, or
mini-comments, which are not full logis of their own, but
associated
with Logi's, and not longer than a snippet (about 300
chars)... for
short notes of the kind of: "Interesting ",
"You might want to add
some pepper and cheese", etc...
Also not graved in stone, but just a possible direction...
> This are just examples that are not necesarry what I'd
propose and are
> just to make my point, that we should get very clear
about this, and
> we should learn from the web what are the most common
approaches and
> which works best.
>
> Don't you all think we could write this kind of
specifications over
> the wiki with examples (images) and justification for
each desission?
Seems like a good idea. I will see that I can get something
up on my
proposals, but devving is going to be my priority this week,
as I'd
like to have as much of the back-end done as possible before
the
Nijmegen students arrive...
Currently the wizzards & UI-intergation need quite some
work too, so
if you or Miguel 'd like to do that, it'd be great...
I got to go to a lecture now, will be back in some hrs to
finish the
rest of the mail...
Wybo
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