Re: Adding links via the wizzard...

> Hi Wybo,
> 
> Last week you told our team to install Ruby under
Linux, but a couple of my
> team members found it easier to install it under
windows. Is there is good
> reason for installing under linux and not windows, or
is this just a
> personal prefenrence?

It is more than a personal preference. And with security or
it's
absence (where Justin eagerly but wrongly pointed at) it has
nothing 
to do (although BSD, and OS X should be fine too...).

It is because we use plugins and gems which are not
guaranteed to work
under non-POSIX OSses. Also our rake-tasks, daemons (for
applying the
half-life to ratings etc...), etc don't work under OSses
using windows-
style-paths and missing standard unix tools...

So it is not that it is impossible to make Manta work under
Windows,
but it would be a lot of work, testing, etc, with hardly any
returns
as it will run on a Linux server/servers in the end. Also it
would not
be something that has priority now (and not something that I
would
propose in the Gip Project as a task)...

So in order not to face ten times as much problems during
installation
and development (as installing ruby is only the beginning of
the
process) I think it's better to stick to linux for
development too...
And with Virtual Machines this is not hard to do at all...

greetings,

Wybo

(PS: I am going to test the installation-process both for
the normal
install and the developer-snapshot this evening inside a
clean ubuntu
VM to make sure all works smoothly and is
well-described...)

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Ok, clear.
Our technical manager suggested the following VM:

>	met een kant en klare Ruby setup:
>
>	http:/
/www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/220 (300MB) of
bijvoorbeeld
>	http:
//www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1092 (400MB)

Do you think this should do the trick?

Regards,
Jordy

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Verzonden: maandag 25 februari 2008 16:14
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Onderwerp: Re: [LogiLogi-list] Adding links via the
wizzard...

> Hi Wybo,
> 
> Last week you told our team to install Ruby under
Linux, but a couple of
my
> team members found it easier to install it under
windows. Is there is good
> reason for installing under linux and not windows, or
is this just a
> personal prefenrence?

It is more than a personal preference. And with security or
it's
absence (where Justin eagerly but wrongly pointed at) it has
nothing 
to do (although BSD, and OS X should be fine too...).

It is because we use plugins and gems which are not
guaranteed to work
under non-POSIX OSses. Also our rake-tasks, daemons (for
applying the
half-life to ratings etc...), etc don't work under OSses
using windows-
style-paths and missing standard unix tools...

So it is not that it is impossible to make Manta work under
Windows,
but it would be a lot of work, testing, etc, with hardly any
returns
as it will run on a Linux server/servers in the end. Also it
would not
be something that has priority now (and not something that I
would
propose in the Gip Project as a task)...

So in order not to face ten times as much problems during
installation
and development (as installing ruby is only the beginning of
the
process) I think it's better to stick to linux for
development too...
And with Virtual Machines this is not hard to do at all...

greetings,

Wybo

(PS: I am going to test the installation-process both for
the normal
install and the developer-snapshot this evening inside a
clean ubuntu
VM to make sure all works smoothly and is
well-described...)

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> Ok, clear.
> Our technical manager suggested the following VM:

Technical manager ? One is supposed to install Manta on
one's own
machine. I simply start with a clean Ubuntu install in the
VM.

> >	met een kant en klare Ruby setup:
> >
> >	http:/
/www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/220 (300MB) of
> bijvoorbeeld
> >	http:
//www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1092 (400MB)
> 
> Do you think this should do the trick?

I think they should be good starting-points, but a standard
ubuntu &
"apt-get install ruby libzlib-ruby rdoc irb rake"
gives you ruby,
followed by a standard installation of gem & rails (see

http://rubyonrails.org/do
wn) will also give you what's needed in the
above two VM's... (with the certainty of having Rails up to
date...)

Wybo

> Regards,
> Jordy

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Eagerness is a bitch.. Excellent point.

I hereby do NOT say anything about things unrelated to the
technicalities of
life in relation to logilogi, as far as I see it that is.

mm..

Ciao

-J


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I just checked and updated the installation-instructions in
doc/README_FOR_APP.

All commands are in there now for Ubuntu to provide extra
clarity.
Also some old dependencies were removed, like the one on
RedCloth...

I removed the developer-snapshots for now, as due to some
changes in
Rails 2.0 and RubyGems, snapshots including everything are
not as 
easy to make anymore...

They may return later, but are removed for now as a
defective
developer-snapshot is worse than none... 

greetings,

Wybo Wiersma

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I just committed the beyond-pointers-change in the
diff-algoritm &
position-ranges libraries. This change; while not very
visible on the
outside (a bit weak on 'if it makes a difference to the
user' I
admit), makes the position-range jugglig easier to
understand for IT-
pplz as it is the standard in all other
programming-languages.

It's here about the difference between 
"abcd"[0..2] (selects "abc") 
and 
"abcd"[1...3] (selects also "abc")

The diff & position-ranges now only use the latter
version.

This was a change that was needed before the alpha-release,
as both
for the bug-hunting and for not having to convert all logis
later on
it is good to have it in place now...

greetings,

Wybo

PS: Miguel, I just saw your commit of the toolbar-less
tinymce (can't 
wait to have a good look at it , but I
think something went wrong, 
as there are probably some files missing. With 'svn stat'
you can get 
info on local files under version control, and 'svn add' is
the way 
to fix it... 

PPS: Jordy, how did things go today in Nijmegen ? You all
had a 
meeting today ? & How is the installation going ? All
smoothly ?

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I just set up the Tasks-list...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logilogi
-tasks

All tasks added to the tasks-tracker
(http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=78643&
;atid=898717)
...are also sent as a message to this list.

In that way you don't have to check the tracker each time,
to know
whether someone else is already working on something...

I already subscribed Bruno, Miguel, and the people from the
new
Nijmegen-team to this list...

If you want to receive task-notices too, you can subscribe
on:
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logilogi
-tasks

greetings,

Wybo

PS: Currently notices are only sent when tasks are created.
It is
possible to send notices on completion/changes also, but for
now we
will see how it goes with only creation-notices... Then we
will
evaluate later on whether completion-notices should also be
sent...

PPS: It might be an idea to add/filter mails from the
tasks-list to 
a separate folder in your mail-program...

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>  PS: Miguel, I just saw your commit of the toolbar-less
tinymce (can't
>  wait to have a good look at it , but I
think something went wrong,
>  as there are probably some files missing. With 'svn
stat' you can get
>  info on local files under version control, and 'svn
add' is the way
>  to fix it... 
>

Indeed, today I commited the toolbar-less tinymce theme that
we use in
the "add link wizard".
I think it's working as expected. It still uses the styles
from
"stylesheets/editor_content.css".

Tomorrow I will be working on the "comment
adding", what it will
basically do is add a link (with type comment) and open a
new logi, at
least for the first version.


see you all tomorrow,

Miguel

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> >  PS: Miguel, I just saw your commit of the
toolbar-less tinymce (can't
> >  wait to have a good look at it , but I
think something went wrong,
> >  as there are probably some files missing. With
'svn stat' you can get
> >  info on local files under version control, and
'svn add' is the way
> >  to fix it... 
> 
> Indeed, today I commited the toolbar-less tinymce theme
that we use in
> the "add link wizard".
> I think it's working as expected. It still uses the
styles from
> "stylesheets/editor_content.css".

Really neat job!

(about the bugfix in the dropdown menu, the show &
+comment-actions 
now show a line that sticks out to the right on mouse-over
(at least 
in FF)... so there's a new bug there now...)

> Tomorrow I will be working on the "comment
adding", what it will
> basically do is add a link (with type comment) and open
a new logi, at
> least for the first version.

Sounds good. What you could also do is suggest to the user
that the
new logi creation-phase is optional, if the logi that is to
figure as
the comment, already exists...

I will start now by moving the view-files to their intended
places,
then I'll quickly commit, and after that I will start
integrating
)other views than the add comment-one) in a stub-wise
fashion, so the
real-UI wizzards can finish the job (and don't have to clean
the mess
of the old UI)...

Wybo

> see you all tomorrow,
> 
> Miguel

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We haven't talked yet about how (with which style) you'd
like to work
with the Project during your internship, Miguel.

Would you like more responsibillities and architectural
overview, or
more free standing, clear tasks ? Or for a start as it is
now, and 
then grow into it ? Or some combination of these ?

And would you like to work more on the UI/JS, or on the
back-end, or 
on the controllers ? Or a bit of everything ?

As I've not that much experience with collaboration in
groups as big
as we currently are becoming (10 pplz) (let alone in
mind-reading on 
such a scale , I thought
I'd just ask... 

And if there's something else you'd like to see going
different, or 
simply remark, you can also say so,

(if you like, or feel freer at it, you can also respond via
pm's in 
IRC, or off-list, in this case)

greetings,

Wybo

PS: Some aspects of this question also apply to Bruno, and
even to 
the Nijmegen people, especially after the
bug-hunting-phase... 

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