Re: Re:interim phone suggestions

I spent 8 years in the military and we hooked personal laptops up and
desktops up all the time, nobody ever tried to ³seize² them. The primary
reason they stick to windows is the modularity of them, if something gets
ruined in a tower they can replace the one part instead of buying a new
multi-thousand dollar tower because something broke. They can train a tech
in a few weeks to a couple months to work on them when needed, whereas to
train someone to deal with the unix side of the mac would be quite
extensive, then youıve got the fact that the vast majority of the populace
has used a windows machine which means you donıt have to train every troop
how to use the new computer sitting there.....they also can buy workstations
from the various OEM manufacturers for little to nothing because of the
quantity they order in.... (2500 workstations from dell that would have been
$500 a piece become $200 a piece, things like that...)

From: Bruce Miller < bemiller%40cloudnet.com">bemillercloudnet.com>
Reply-To: < maccellphone%40yahoogroups.com">maccellphoneyahoogroups.com>;
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:02:55 -0500
To: < maccellphone%40yahoogroups.com">maccellphoneyahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [maccellphone] Re:interim phone suggestions

PART of the reason why the military (and many depts of the US Govt)
want windows is that they can seize control of the computer [ and do
lots of things to that computer.. ] if you hook an unauthorized
computer up to their network ... they can not do this it a Mac hooks
up ...

I understand the other reasons you note

On Aug 21, 2007, at 5:41 PM, cone zone wrote:

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&gt;
> Michael Jalkut < mike%40leapoffaith.org">mikeleapoffaith.org <mailto:mike%40leapoffaith.org> > wrote:
&gt; Don't forget corporate, government, and military, who are so solidly
> entrenched in the Windows cult that many won't even allow macs
>; (including iPhone) on their networks.
>
&gt; --- In maccellphone%40yahoogroups.com">maccellphoneyahoogroups.com <mailto:maccellphone%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Derek Hyde wrote:
&gt; >
>; >
>; > Not everywhere in the nation is mac friendly, thereıs a large
&gt; percentage
> > (mostly smaller cities and rural areas) where nobody will go mac
> other than
>; > computer savvy people, tethering is something that Iıve seen used by
> > business people, college students, and pretty well everything in
> between.
> > If you put something out that only supports one kind of computer
> (you can
> > only tether to the new OS for macs) then you guarantee that the
> people who
> > arenıt within an hour of an apple store or a repair center (or
> whatever
> > their excuse is for not changing to a mac,) wonıt consider the
> phone, and
> > itıll also hurt the chances of carriers other than AT&T picking
> it up
> > eventually for that reason as well.....
> >
>; >
>; > From: Bruce Miller
&gt; > Reply-To:
> > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:17:40 -0500
&gt; > To:
> > Subject: Re: [maccellphone] Re:interim phone suggestions
> >
>; >
>; >
>; >
>; >
>; > why would that be product suicide ... ?
> >
>; > You could still use the iphone on windows .... kind of like most
>; > things are now .. you can use them on windows ... just not all the
> > mac features
> >
>; > so to me that would simply be one more reason to convert to
> Mac ... .
> >
>; >
>; >
>; >
>; >
>; > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maccellphone/
>
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Thank you for your military service. It is greatly appreciated!

I mostly agree except for 2 very minor issues.

1. Mac towers are increasingly just PCs running OSX. Everything but the board is easily
replaced.

2. Wasn't the military involved in the creation of Unix? Don't they still use it for most
operations? I remember a few years back when they were discussing sending hundreds
Unix Sparc box's over to Iraq.

Mike

--- In maccellphone%40yahoogroups.com">maccellphoneyahoogroups.com, Derek Hyde <derek...> wrote:
&gt;
> I spent 8 years in the military and we hooked personal laptops up and
> desktops up all the time, nobody ever tried to ³seize² them. The primary
> reason they stick to windows is the modularity of them, if something gets
>; ruined in a tower they can replace the one part instead of buying a new
> multi-thousand dollar tower because something broke. They can train a tech
>; in a few weeks to a couple months to work on them when needed, whereas to
> train someone to deal with the unix side of the mac would be quite
&gt; extensive, then youıve got the fact that the vast majority of the populace
> has used a windows machine which means you donıt have to train every troop
&gt; how to use the new computer sitting there.....they also can buy workstations
> from the various OEM manufacturers for little to nothing because of the
> quantity they order in.... (2500 workstations from dell that would have been
>; $500 a piece become $200 a piece, things like that...)
>
>
>

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background ... I spend 31 years in the military and specifically at
times in areas the areas qualified to know some of these things
(including command) ... and the DOD systems with networks DO have the
capability to control the network and seize unauthorized
computers ... not all networks have that function turned on as the
material they allow access to may not be restricted ... but believe
me the capability is there ... and is part of DOD directives .... the
same is true with the VA system ...

yes price and the other reasons you note are a definite factor ...
but DOD really does worry about security!

On Aug 21, 2007, at 6:20 PM, Derek Hyde wrote:

> I spent 8 years in the military and we hooked personal laptops up and
> desktops up all the time, nobody ever tried to ³seize² them. The
> primary
> reason they stick to windows is the modularity of them, if
> something gets
>; ruined in a tower they can replace the one part instead of buying a
> new
> multi-thousand dollar tower because something broke. They can train
> a tech
>; in a few weeks to a couple months to work on them when needed,
> whereas to
> train someone to deal with the unix side of the mac would be quite
&gt; extensive, then youıve got the fact that the vast majority of the
> populace
> has used a windows machine which means you donıt have to train
> every troop
&gt; how to use the new computer sitting there.....they also can buy
> workstations
> from the various OEM manufacturers for little to nothing because of
> the
> quantity they order in.... (2500 workstations from dell that would
> have been
>; $500 a piece become $200 a piece, things like that...)
>
>; From: Bruce Miller < bemiller%40cloudnet.com">bemillercloudnet.com>
> Reply-To: < maccellphone%40yahoogroups.com">maccellphoneyahoogroups.com>;
> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:02:55 -0500
&gt; To: < maccellphone%40yahoogroups.com">maccellphoneyahoogroups.com>;
> Subject: Re: [maccellphone] Re:interim phone suggestions
>
> PART of the reason why the military (and many depts of the US Govt)
&gt; want windows is that they can seize control of the computer [ and do
> lots of things to that computer.. ] if you hook an unauthorized
> computer up to their network ... they can not do this it a Mac hooks
&gt; up ...
>
> I understand the other reasons you note
>;
> On Aug 21, 2007, at 5:41 PM, cone zone wrote:
&gt;
> >
>; >
>; > Michael Jalkut < mike%40leapoffaith.org">mikeleapoffaith.org <mailto:mike%
> 40leapoffaith.org>; > wrote:
&gt; > Don't forget corporate, government, and military, who are so solidly
> > entrenched in the Windows cult that many won't even allow macs
>; > (including iPhone) on their networks.
> >
>; > --- In maccellphone%40yahoogroups.com">maccellphoneyahoogroups.com<;mailto:maccellphone%
> 40yahoogroups.com>; ,
> Derek Hyde wrote:
&gt; > >
>; > >
>; > > Not everywhere in the nation is mac friendly, thereıs a large
&gt; > percentage
> > > (mostly smaller cities and rural areas) where nobody will go mac
> > other than
>; > > computer savvy people, tethering is something that Iıve seen
> used by
> > > business people, college students, and pretty well everything in
> > between.
> > > If you put something out that only supports one kind of computer
> > (you can
> > > only tether to the new OS for macs) then you guarantee that the
> > people who
> > > arenıt within an hour of an apple store or a repair center (or
> > whatever
> > > their excuse is for not changing to a mac,) wonıt consider the
> > phone, and
> > > itıll also hurt the chances of carriers other than AT&T picking
> > it up
> > > eventually for that reason as well.....
> > >
>; > >
>; > > From: Bruce Miller
&gt; > > Reply-To:
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:17:40 -0500
&gt; > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [maccellphone] Re:interim phone suggestions
> > >
>; > >
>; > >
>; > >
>; > >
>; > > why would that be product suicide ... ?
> > >
>; > > You could still use the iphone on windows .... kind of like most
>; > > things are now .. you can use them on windows ... just not all the
> > > mac features
> > >
>; > > so to me that would simply be one more reason to convert to
> > Mac ... .
> > >
>; > >
>; > >
>; > >
>; > >
>; > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
>; >
>; > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maccellphone/
> >
>; > Yahoo! Groups Links
&gt; >
>; > ---------------------------------
> > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos
&gt; > new Car Finder tool.
&gt; >
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