Maia RPM and a license query

I've got a reasonable RPM together for maia mailguard, which
I was hoping to 
be able to submit for inclusion in Fedora, but there are
some concerns over 
the license. Basically, "not free enough"
according to the FSF (and Debian 
legal), so the Fedora packaging board has good reason to
believe this can't 
go into Fedora-proper.

On the license front... Someone asked "hey, isn't this
just a fork of 
amavisd-new?" And if so "how can it be licensed
anything but GPL?". I didn't 
have answers for that, and didn't find one with a tiny bit
of poking at the 
licensing pages in the maia wiki, so I'm asking here. Is the
maia license 
more specific to the web ui portion and the core
amavisd-maia bits still GPL 
or something along those lines?

Regardless, even if I can't get maia into the official
Fedora repo, I'll 
probably get the package stashed in a 3rd-party repo
somewhere...

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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> Regardless, even if I can't get maia into the official
Fedora repo, I'll 
> probably get the package stashed in a 3rd-party repo
somewhere...

You are, as usual, the man with the RPM's!   

At some point I really need to get debian packages put
together. One of 
these days..

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Jarod Wilson wrote:
> I've got a reasonable RPM together for maia mailguard,
which I was hoping to 
> be able to submit for inclusion in Fedora, but there
are some concerns over 
> the license. Basically, "not free enough"
according to the FSF (and Debian 
> legal), so the Fedora packaging board has good reason
to believe this can't 
> go into Fedora-proper.
> 
> On the license front... Someone asked "hey, isn't
this just a fork of 
> amavisd-new?" And if so "how can it be
licensed anything but GPL?". I didn't 
> have answers for that, and didn't find one with a tiny
bit of poking at the 
> licensing pages in the maia wiki, so I'm asking here.
Is the maia license 
> more specific to the web ui portion and the core
amavisd-maia bits still GPL 
> or something along those lines?
> 
> Regardless, even if I can't get maia into the official
Fedora repo, I'll 
> probably get the package stashed in a 3rd-party repo
somewhere...

i already has a spec file maia, if you like you can use.
there're a few tricks to be able to put config files under
/etc/ and to
be able to use together with clamd from extras.

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On Monday 02 April 2007 07:41 am, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> I've got a reasonable RPM together for maia mailguard,
which I was
> hoping to be able to submit for inclusion in Fedora,
but there are some
> concerns over the license. Basically, "not free
enough" according to
> the FSF (and Debian legal), so the Fedora packaging
board has good
> reason to believe this can't go into Fedora-proper.
>
> On the license front... Someone asked "hey, isn't
this just a fork of
> amavisd-new?" And if so "how can it be
licensed anything but GPL?". I
> didn't have answers for that, and didn't find one with
a tiny bit of
> poking at the licensing pages in the maia wiki, so I'm
asking here. Is
> the maia license more specific to the web ui portion
and the core
> amavisd-maia bits still GPL or something along those
lines?
>
> Regardless, even if I can't get maia into the official
Fedora repo,
> I'll probably get the package stashed in a 3rd-party
repo somewhere...

Search the mailing list archives.  There's a long thread in
there from 
last year that covers all the licensing issues.

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Jarod Wilson wrote:

> On the license front... Someone asked "hey, isn't
this just a fork of 
> amavisd-new?" And if so "how can it be
licensed anything but GPL?". I didn't 
> have answers for that, and didn't find one with a tiny
bit of poking at the 
> licensing pages in the maia wiki, so I'm asking here.
Is the maia license 
> more specific to the web ui portion and the core
amavisd-maia bits still GPL 
> or something along those lines?

Close.  See
<http://www.renaissoft.com/pipermail/m
aia-users/2007-January/008699.html>
for a more detailed explanation.

> Regardless, even if I can't get maia into the official
Fedora repo, I'll 
> probably get the package stashed in a 3rd-party repo
somewhere...

Whether you can persuade a repository to include your RPM or
not, I'm
sure that a lot of Maia users would love to have access to
it, even if
it's just linked from the Maia website.  If you host it
yourself we can
link to it from the Maia downloads page, or we can host a
copy of it for
you if you prefer.

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Robert LeBlanc <rjlrenaissoft.com>
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Maia Mailguard <http://www.maiamail
guard.com/>

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On Apr 02, 2007, at 12:12, Farkas Levente wrote:

> Jarod Wilson wrote:
>> I've got a reasonable RPM together for maia
mailguard, which I was  
>> hoping to
>> be able to submit for inclusion in Fedora, but
there are some  
>> concerns over
>> the license. Basically, "not free enough"
according to the FSF  
>> (and Debian
>> legal), so the Fedora packaging board has good
reason to believe  
>> this can't
>> go into Fedora-proper.
>>
>> On the license front... Someone asked "hey,
isn't this just a fork of
>> amavisd-new?" And if so "how can it be
licensed anything but  
>> GPL?". I didn't
>> have answers for that, and didn't find one with a
tiny bit of  
>> poking at the
>> licensing pages in the maia wiki, so I'm asking
here. Is the maia  
>> license
>> more specific to the web ui portion and the core
amavisd-maia bits  
>> still GPL
>> or something along those lines?
>>
>> Regardless, even if I can't get maia into the
official Fedora  
>> repo, I'll
>> probably get the package stashed in a 3rd-party
repo somewhere...
>
> i already has a spec file maia, if you like you can
use.
> there're a few tricks to be able to put config files
under /etc/  
> and to
> be able to use together with clamd from extras.

Thanks, but I've already done the same, a spec file isn't a
problem.  
The issue at hand is the license.

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On Apr 02, 2007, at 20:12, Robert LeBlanc wrote:

> Jarod Wilson wrote:
>
>> On the license front... Someone asked "hey,
isn't this just a fork of
>> amavisd-new?" And if so "how can it be
licensed anything but  
>> GPL?". I didn't
>> have answers for that, and didn't find one with a
tiny bit of  
>> poking at the
>> licensing pages in the maia wiki, so I'm asking
here. Is the maia  
>> license
>> more specific to the web ui portion and the core
amavisd-maia bits  
>> still GPL
>> or something along those lines?
>
> Close.  See
> <http://www.renaissoft.com/pipermail/maia-users/2007-
January/ 
> 008699.html>
> for a more detailed explanation.

Excellent, that's exactly what I was looking for. Shoulda
searched  
the list archive first... 

>> Regardless, even if I can't get maia into the
official Fedora  
>> repo, I'll
>> probably get the package stashed in a 3rd-party
repo somewhere...
>
> Whether you can persuade a repository to include your
RPM or not, I'm
> sure that a lot of Maia users would love to have access
to it, even if
> it's just linked from the Maia website.  If you host it
yourself we  
> can
> link to it from the Maia downloads page, or we can host
a copy of  
> it for
> you if you prefer.

Cool. Sounds like its a no-go for the official Fedora repo
(more or  
less the same ruling as Debian, based on FSF feedback), but
I've got  
connections to a few 3rd-party ones, so getting it into one
of them  
shouldn't be a problem. I'll keep ya posted...

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Nate Carlson wrote:
> At some point I really need to get debian packages put
together. One of 
> these days..

We have packages for ubuntu. They are only for use for our
clients at 
present (private repo) but I can check out and see if the
source tarball 
might be made available to you, or even debs. we have
targetted dapper 
mostly, apt-get install maia-mailguard works pretty well -
some post 
configuration etc

If there is big community demand I am also happy to consider
wider 
publishing of our packages...

dave

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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Dave Kempe wrote:
> We have packages for ubuntu. They are only for use for
our clients at 
> present (private repo) but I can check out and see if
the source tarball 
> might be made available to you, or even debs. we have
targetted dapper 
> mostly, apt-get install maia-mailguard works pretty
well - some post 
> configuration etc
>
> If there is big community demand I am also happy to
consider wider 
> publishing of our packages...

If you could at least publish the diff's, that would be
great! It'd be 
nice to have a good almost-working start for debian
packages.  

If you can publish deb's too, heck, all the better for those
Ubuntu users 
out there!

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Nate Carlson wrote:
> If you could at least publish the diff's, that would be
great! It'd be 
> nice to have a good almost-working start for debian
packages.  
> 
> If you can publish deb's too, heck, all the better for
those Ubuntu 
> users out there!

I'll get Nick on to it - he did them and should have 1.0.2
packages. The 
1.0.1 packages work pretty well.

Nick - can you get a diff happening or find a public place
for the debs? 
I don't want our private sol1 repo open to the world just
yet...

dave

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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Nate Carlson wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Dave Kempe wrote:
> > We have packages for ubuntu. They are only for use
for our clients at
> > present (private repo) but I can check out and see
if the source tarball
> > might be made available to you, or even debs. we
have targetted dapper
> > mostly, apt-get install maia-mailguard works
pretty well - some post
> > configuration etc
> >
> > If there is big community demand I am also happy
to consider wider
> > publishing of our packages...
>
> If you could at least publish the diff's, that would be
great! It'd be
> nice to have a good almost-working start for debian
packages.  
>
> If you can publish deb's too, heck, all the better for
those Ubuntu users
> out there!
>
>
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Hi,

  For what it worth, I have fabricated a script that will
take a fresh
install of Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'server' (i.e., a very basic
linux install
with no GUI) almost all the way to maia using public
repositories.... You
can find a basic 'how-to' install this style of Ubuntu
Dapper at:

http://ww
w.dpsims.com/~dpsims/ubuntu_server

Then, you can find a script that will install almost
everything Maia needs
using apt-get at:

http://www.dpsims.com/~dpsims/setup_dapper_for_maia_sh
.txt

If anyone finds this useful or would like to suggest ways of
improving the
process of building a Maia Mailguard appliance on Ubuntu, I
would be
interested to know about it....

Thanks,

Dave Sims
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