Exploratory discussion: content rating

On Jul 27, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Paul Bryson wrote:

> Drew specifically wants to add tags to content within
the page, not  
> to links to a page.  IE:
> <img class="NSFW-nudity"
src"..." />

Yeah, I suspect that's a difference that doesn't really
change much  
about the the problem.  Some of the points made so far in
the current  
discussion (e.g. ambiguity of ratings, existing schema) were
made  
last October already, so I think reviewing the previous
discussion  
would be useful in moving this discussion forward.

It would also be useful to follow the process, which
requires someone  
to go around to sites full of NSFW content and document the
markup.   
I believe the only volunteers to do this last time around
were being  
facetious.  One problem with researching NSFW markup is that
it's not  
safe for work.

Peace,
Scott

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On 27 Jul 2006, at 16:53, Scott Reynen wrote:

> It would also be useful to follow the process, which
requires  
> someone to go around to sites full of NSFW content and
document the  
> markup.  I believe the only volunteers to do this last
time around  
> were being facetious.  One problem with researching
NSFW markup is  
> that it's not safe for work.

You're going to have to enlighten me as to how the process
is not  
being followed. As I said, I'm new to this.

As per points 1.1 and 1.2 of http://microform
ats.org/wiki/process  
we've started discussing it publicly (first in
#microformats, and now  
brought here for completeness) and have begun assembling an
examples  
page on the wiki. No one's making proposals, and we've
only really  
talked about any kind of implementation in illustrative
terms. We're  
very much trying to follow the process.

Way too much kickback on this to even bother thinking about
 I'm 

not putting myself through that. But I *am* interested in
how I've  
not followed the process correctly.

drew.


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On Jul 27, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> On 27 Jul 2006, at 16:53, Scott Reynen wrote:
>
>> It would also be useful to follow the process,
which requires  
>> someone to go around to sites full of NSFW content
and document  
>> the markup.  I believe the only volunteers to do
this last time  
>> around were being facetious.  One problem with
researching NSFW  
>> markup is that it's not safe for work.
>
> You're going to have to enlighten me as to how the
process is not  
> being followed. As I said, I'm new to this.

"Go around to sites full of NSFW content and document
the markup"  
covers the relevant section of the process, I think.  Of
course, this  
is only worth doing if you don't believe rel-tag is
sufficient as  
Tantek suggested, in which case you should look for examples
of where  
it wouldn't work, and see if they make up a large enough
portion of  
online content to not be dismissed as outliers.

> As per points 1.1 and 1.2 of http://microform
ats.org/wiki/process  
> we've started discussing it publicly (first in
#microformats, and  
> now brought here for completeness) and have begun
assembling an  
> examples page on the wiki.

I didn't realize there was a wiki examples page already. 
Where is it?

> No one's making proposals, and we've only really
talked about any  
> kind of implementation in illustrative terms. We're
very much  
> trying to follow the process.

I didn't mean to suggest you weren't following the
process.  I was  
just trying to point out the humorous situation I was
imagining, in  
which someone walks by, sees you looking at a porn site, and
then you  
turn around and try in vain to explain "Seriously,
I'm doing research  
for a microformat."

Peace,
Scott

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On Jul 27, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
> I didn't mean to suggest you weren't following the
process.  I was 
> just trying to point out the humorous situation I was
imagining, in 
> which someone walks by, sees you looking at a porn
site, and then you 
> turn around and try in vain to explain
"Seriously, I'm doing research 
> for a microformat."

Sounds like a problem we have at work when checking spam
blogs.

When I was at Apple, Maynard, who worked on MPEG playback,
had to have 
an office with no windows due to the kind of content he got
bug reports 
of bad MPEG streams in...

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On 7/27/06 10:42 AM, "Kevin Marks"
<kmarkstechnorati.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 27, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
>> I didn't mean to suggest you weren't following
the process.  I was
>> just trying to point out the humorous situation I
was imagining, in
>> which someone walks by, sees you looking at a porn
site, and then you
>> turn around and try in vain to explain
"Seriously, I'm doing research
>> for a microformat."
> 
> Sounds like a problem we have at work when checking
spam blogs.
> 
> When I was at Apple, Maynard, who worked on MPEG
playback, had to have
> an office with no windows due to the kind of content he
got bug reports
> of bad MPEG streams in...

We had an office with blocked hallway windows for this
reason as well when
developing IE5/Mac and fixing particularly nasty (as in
*difficult*)
javascript/DOM bugs that had been reported, especially those
having to do
with pop-ups, communication across multiple windows etc.

Tantek

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Kevin Marks writes:
> On Jul 27, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
> > I didn't mean to suggest you weren't following
the process.  I was 
> > just trying to point out the humorous situation I
was imagining, in 
> > which someone walks by, sees you looking at a porn
site, and then you 
> > turn around and try in vain to explain
"Seriously, I'm doing research 
> > for a microformat."
> 
> Sounds like a problem we have at work when checking
spam blogs.
> 
> When I was at Apple, Maynard, who worked on MPEG
playback, had to have 
> an office with no windows due to the kind of content he
got bug reports 
> of bad MPEG streams in...

Yep!  had a similar problem at a previous job working on
spam filtering of
email -- we had a couple of interns whose job it was to
examine the
"borderline" messages arriving at spamtraps, to
verify spamminess.

--j.
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