Easy book citations

Tantek ?elik:
>  http://microform
ats.org/wiki/process
> Second, the folks working on the citation microformat
to date have done *a
> lot* of work along the lines of the process which I
recommend you read to
> understand the current state of progress:
> 
>  http:/
/microformats.org/wiki/citation-examples
>  http://
microformats.org/wiki/citation-formats
>  h
ttp://microformats.org/wiki/citation-brainstorming
>  http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/citation-faq

Oh, I've read it all. I'm just of the opinion that
following process,
collating examples, performing analysis, holding discussion,
forming
consensus, trialling implementations, reviewing
implementations, and issuing
specifications is a way to ensure that nothing gets done,
ever.

The citation process started a year ago. There's still,
apparently, nothing I
can use today - at least, nothing better than the ad-hocery
I just created.

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On 7/30/06, Simon Cozens <simonsimon-cozens.org> wrote:

> Oh, I've read it all. I'm just of the opinion that
following process,
> collating examples, performing analysis, holding
discussion, forming
> consensus, trialling implementations, reviewing
implementations, and issuing
> specifications is a way to ensure that nothing gets
done, ever.
>
> The citation process started a year ago. There's
still, apparently, nothing I
> can use today - at least, nothing better than the
ad-hocery I just created.

Do you really think that consensus on a difficult topic ilke
this is
easy? Sure, we all can create ad hoc stuff. The point is to
come to
some collective aggreement (though see below).

I think if you couple my suggested list of properties with
Brian's
straw man from awhile back, you'll kniow where we are:

<http://microformats.org
/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-April/thread.html#39
52>

I pinged Brian about gettnig back to this a few days ago.
He's been
swamped with other things, but sid time would open up
soon-ish.

I should also add for the record that the participants in
this
discussion were moving toowards consensus after an IRC
meetup, but
Tantek had rather a different idea of process that left a
lot of us
frustrated:

<http://microformats.org
/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-April/thread.html#36
43>

Bruce
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On 7/30/06 10:35 AM, "Simon Cozens"
<simonsimon-cozens.org> wrote:

> Tantek ?elik:
>>  http://microform
ats.org/wiki/process
>> Second, the folks working on the citation
microformat to date have done *a
>> lot* of work along the lines of the process which I
recommend you read to
>> understand the current state of progress:
>> 
>>  http:/
/microformats.org/wiki/citation-examples
>>  http://
microformats.org/wiki/citation-formats
>>  h
ttp://microformats.org/wiki/citation-brainstorming
>>  http://micr
oformats.org/wiki/citation-faq
> 
> Oh, I've read it all.

Excellent.


> I'm just of the opinion that following process,
> collating examples, performing analysis, holding
discussion, forming
> consensus, trialling implementations, reviewing
implementations, and issuing
> specifications is a way to ensure that nothing gets
done, ever.

Not true.  hReview was very successfully developed,
deployed, and is now
adopted widely per the process.


> The citation process started a year ago. There's
still, apparently, nothing I
> can use today - at least, nothing better than the
ad-hocery I just created.

Citations are *particularly* difficult given how many smart
people have
tried to solve this particular problem in the past.

I do think that we are getting *very close* to a draft
hCite, and perhaps it
is time that we as a community focused on making that happen
in the next few
weeks.

What if we set a goal for hCite 0.1 of August 30?  Is that
reasonable?

In addition, I definitely encourage you to continue with the
ad-hoccery and
experimentation with your own site and content.  That's
exactly the kind of
experience that can help with making a practical
microformat.

Thanks much for your input, efforts, and for bringing up the
citation
microformat again.  Sometimes is just takes *one more*
person to bring
something up before it is solved.

Tantek

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