Ordered Lists

Hi,

This is going to sound pretty trivial, and I hope that no
one minds me
asking this.

I am looking for a way to do "Top 10's".  I
don't want to suggest a
Microformat or anything for this.  But I was wondering if
anyone has
experience in parsing Lists of information.

My first thought is to make a parser look for OL XHTML
elements and
then work off that, perhaps using the title attribute to
determine the
topic of the ordered list.

Would people be able to suggest other ways they would
consider looking
for ordered information.  i.e do you think that there would
be any
semantic meaning to the posistion of elements in an xoxo
formatted
listing or OPML.

Kind Regards,
Paul Kinlan
http://www.kinlan.co.uk
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Hi Paul,

On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is going to sound pretty trivial, and I hope that
no one minds me
> asking this.
>
> I am looking for a way to do "Top 10's". 
I don't want to suggest a
> Microformat or anything for this.  But I was wondering
if anyone has
> experience in parsing Lists of information.
>
> My first thought is to make a parser look for OL XHTML
elements and
> then work off that, perhaps using the title attribute
to determine the
> topic of the ordered list.

Yeah, that absolutely sounds like the right way to go.  I'm
not quite  
clear on what you're using 'title' for, though.  Do you
have multiple  
lists per page, and need a way to differentiate the title of
the list  
from the title of the page?

-- Ernie P.


>
> Would people be able to suggest other ways they would
consider looking
> for ordered information.  i.e do you think that there
would be any
> semantic meaning to the posistion of elements in an
xoxo formatted
> listing or OPML.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Paul Kinlan
> http://www.kinlan.co.uk
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Yeah,  I would like to be able to understand what the list
is "about",
so something like a title would give a good descriptive
meaning to
what the items in the list relate to.

For instance the title could be "Favorite
Films", obviously the LI's
would then be order of the favorites.

Title was one of the only attributes that I thought could be
used to
determine what the list is about.  I was also initially
thinking about
putting a class attribute saying something like
"positive" or
"negative" for the ordering of the elements in
the list.

It is just that I would like to be able to write a progam
that can
parse lists of information that has a meaning so that I can
merge more
than one list together.

Obviously OL, LI inferes a kind of semantic meaning, and I
could
already use the OL's without getting everyone to adopt a
new format
such as rel=tag etc.

I am just looking into ideas and trying to see if people
already do
this kind of thing.

Kind Regards,
Paul Kinlan


On 29/08/06, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar <drernieopendarwin.org> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is going to sound pretty trivial, and I hope
that no one minds me
> > asking this.
> >
> > I am looking for a way to do "Top
10's".  I don't want to suggest a
> > Microformat or anything for this.  But I was
wondering if anyone has
> > experience in parsing Lists of information.
> >
> > My first thought is to make a parser look for OL
XHTML elements and
> > then work off that, perhaps using the title
attribute to determine the
> > topic of the ordered list.
>
> Yeah, that absolutely sounds like the right way to go. 
I'm not quite
> clear on what you're using 'title' for, though.  Do
you have multiple
> lists per page, and need a way to differentiate the
title of the list
> from the title of the page?
>
> -- Ernie P.
>
>
> >
> > Would people be able to suggest other ways they
would consider looking
> > for ordered information.  i.e do you think that
there would be any
> > semantic meaning to the posistion of elements in
an xoxo formatted
> > listing or OPML.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Paul Kinlan
> > http://www.kinlan.co.uk
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Hi Paul,

On Aug 29, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote:
> Yeah,  I would like to be able to understand what the
list is "about",
> so something like a title would give a good descriptive
meaning to
> what the items in the list relate to.
>
> For instance the title could be "Favorite
Films", obviously the LI's
> would then be order of the favorites.


As far as I can tell, that is a perfectly appropriate use of
the  
"title" attribute.

htt
p://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol6/html_no1.htm

It does lead to some redundancy between the human-readable
caption  
(which presumably is in an H1 or whatever), but it does seem
to serve  
your purpose.

Anybody else have an opinion?

-enp



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Paul, XOXO is a way to represent (nested) lists using
<ol> and <dl> 
that maps well into programming languages - worth a look for
what we 
have already done:

http://microformats
.org/wiki/xoxo
On Aug 29, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote:

> Yeah,  I would like to be able to understand what the
list is "about",
> so something like a title would give a good descriptive
meaning to
> what the items in the list relate to.
>
> For instance the title could be "Favorite
Films", obviously the LI's
> would then be order of the favorites.
>
> Title was one of the only attributes that I thought
could be used to
> determine what the list is about.  I was also initially
thinking about
> putting a class attribute saying something like
"positive" or
> "negative" for the ordering of the elements
in the list.

This sounds like it may map to hReview's ratings or
vote-links, if you 
are storing an attribute for each item.

> It is just that I would like to be able to write a
progam that can
> parse lists of information that has a meaning so that I
can merge more
> than one list together.
>
> Obviously OL, LI inferes a kind of semantic meaning,
and I could
> already use the OL's without getting everyone to adopt
a new format
> such as rel=tag etc.
>
> I am just looking into ideas and trying to see if
people already do
> this kind of thing.

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Hi Kevin,

Thats a pretty cool answer.  I was looking into xoxo, it
looked like
what I might use opml for.  But I wasn't too sure if I were
to use
xoxo in the manner that I intend then it might polute the
xoxo
"world".

I thought about using hReview, but it seems like an overkill
to me
right now, because I am thinking that perhaps the OL
signifies the
significance of each element implicity, at least that is
what I think
at the moment.  I will look into VoteLink too.

Kind Regards,
Paul Kinlan

On 29/08/06, Kevin Marks <kmarkstechnorati.com> wrote:
> Paul, XOXO is a way to represent (nested) lists using
<ol> and <dl>
> that maps well into programming languages - worth a
look for what we
> have already done:
>
> http://microformats
.org/wiki/xoxo
> On Aug 29, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote:
>
> > Yeah,  I would like to be able to understand what
the list is "about",
> > so something like a title would give a good
descriptive meaning to
> > what the items in the list relate to.
> >
> > For instance the title could be "Favorite
Films", obviously the LI's
> > would then be order of the favorites.
> >
> > Title was one of the only attributes that I
thought could be used to
> > determine what the list is about.  I was also
initially thinking about
> > putting a class attribute saying something like
"positive" or
> > "negative" for the ordering of the
elements in the list.
>
> This sounds like it may map to hReview's ratings or
vote-links, if you
> are storing an attribute for each item.
>
> > It is just that I would like to be able to write a
progam that can
> > parse lists of information that has a meaning so
that I can merge more
> > than one list together.
> >
> > Obviously OL, LI inferes a kind of semantic
meaning, and I could
> > already use the OL's without getting everyone to
adopt a new format
> > such as rel=tag etc.
> >
> > I am just looking into ideas and trying to see if
people already do
> > this kind of thing.
>
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