hJob

On Aug 30, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Don Park wrote:

> Given recent moves in the job listing by bloggers, I
think 'hJob' and
> syndication of job data might be a nice near-term topic
for  
> discussion.
>
> Thoughts? Links to alternate proposals?

htt
p://microformats.org/wiki/job-listing-examples
http://microformats.org/wiki/job-listing-brainstorming

I started working on this when I first joined this list, but
I didn't  
really know what I was doing and no one else seemed very
interested,  
so I didn't get very far.  I think there are probably
sufficient  
examples collected, but if you think there should be more,
add them.   
The next step seems to be determining the implied schema by
looking  
at which properties meet the 80% threshold.

Peace,
Scott

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I was going to suggest the same thing, so it's good to see
this work
already underway.

My post is a bit dramatic, but what's important about the
current
research on this is that it could be used by either
applicant *or* job
provider.

http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/30/jobs-jobs-an
d-more-jobs/

Just as I can post my own hResume, being able to post jobs
descriptions that I think I'd be good at is an equally
important
design goal for this mF. I also think that it's design,
perhaps a
slight break with convention, should creatively tackle the
issue of
helping folks get work that they love to do.

That's the beauty of distribution and decentralization. You
no longer
have to fit into someone else's job description, you can
write one for
the work that you want to do!

Chris

On 8/30/06, Scott Reynen <scottrandomchaos.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Don Park wrote:
>
> > Given recent moves in the job listing by bloggers,
I think 'hJob' and
> > syndication of job data might be a nice near-term
topic for
> > discussion.
> >
> > Thoughts? Links to alternate proposals?
>
> htt
p://microformats.org/wiki/job-listing-examples
> http://microformats.org/wiki/job-listing-brainstorming
>
> I started working on this when I first joined this
list, but I didn't
> really know what I was doing and no one else seemed
very interested,
> so I didn't get very far.  I think there are probably
sufficient
> examples collected, but if you think there should be
more, add them.
> The next step seems to be determining the implied
schema by looking
> at which properties meet the 80% threshold.
>
> Peace,
> Scott
>
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On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Chris Messina wrote:

> Just as I can post my own hResume, being able to post
jobs
> descriptions that I think I'd be good at is an equally
important
> design goal for this mF. I also think that it's
design, perhaps a
> slight break with convention, should creatively tackle
the issue of
> helping folks get work that they love to do.

Isn't such a break with convention explicitly an anti-goal
of  
microformats?  I hope marking up job listings in a standard
format  
will lead to better tools for job seekers, but to whatever
extent  
descriptions of desired jobs and descriptions of existing
jobs  
differ, I think we should be focused on what people are
currently  
publishing on the web, which I expect is almost entirely
descriptions  
of /existing and available/ jobs.  If I'm missing
descriptions of  
desired jobs on the current web, I hope someone will add
appropriate  
examples to the wiki, but we shouldn't be building a
microformat  
around hypothetical publishing.

Peace,
Scott

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Thanks for the links Scott. Good stuff.

Chris, I have to agree with Scott re your 'slight break
with convention'
suggestion. Like you, I have thought about reusing hJob for
query/criteria
but I think the idea adds non-trivial constraints without
offering
sufficient immediate term rewards.

However, I think a general effort should be made by this
group to
investigate general conventions for reusing existing
microformats for
query/criteria specification so that we don't close doors
unknowningly or
unnecessarily when we design new microformats.

- Don

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On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Chris Messina wrote:

> Just as I can post my own hResume, being able to post
jobs 
> descriptions that I think I'd be good at is an equally
important 
> design goal for this mF. I also think that it's
design, perhaps a 
> slight break with convention, should creatively tackle
the issue of 
> helping folks get work that they love to do.

Isn't such a break with convention explicitly an anti-goal
of microformats?
I hope marking up job listings in a standard format will
lead to better
tools for job seekers, but to whatever extent descriptions
of desired jobs
and descriptions of existing jobs differ, I think we should
be focused on
what people are currently publishing on the web, which I
expect is almost
entirely descriptions of /existing and available/ jobs.  If
I'm missing
descriptions of desired jobs on the current web, I hope
someone will add
appropriate examples to the wiki, but we shouldn't be
building a microformat
around hypothetical publishing.

Peace,
Scott

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On Aug 30, 2006, at 7:33 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Don Park wrote:
>
>> Given recent moves in the job listing by bloggers,
I think 'hJob' and
>> syndication of job data might be a nice near-term
topic for 
>> discussion.
>>
>> Thoughts? Links to alternate proposals?
>
> htt
p://microformats.org/wiki/job-listing-examples
> http://microformats.org/wiki/job-listing-brainstorming
>
> I started working on this when I first joined this
list, but I didn't 
> really know what I was doing and no one else seemed
very interested, 
> so I didn't get very far.  I think there are probably
sufficient 
> examples collected, but if you think there should be
more, add them.  
> The next step seems to be determining the implied
schema by looking at 
> which properties meet the 80% threshold.

Also look at
http:/
/microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-proposal

which is a more general 'listings of stuff' proposal

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Kevin,

Thanks for the link. My initial impression of hListing is
that it's too
general for the job (sorry) which reduces some benefits of
defining hJob as
a profile of hListing. But I'll withhold my opinion until
work on hJob
proceeds in earnest.

- Don

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On Aug 30, 2006, at 7:33 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Don Park wrote:
>
>> Given recent moves in the job listing by bloggers,
I think 'hJob' and 
>> syndication of job data might be a nice near-term
topic for 
>> discussion.
>>
>> Thoughts? Links to alternate proposals?
>
> htt
p://microformats.org/wiki/job-listing-examples
> http://microformats.org/wiki/job-listing-brainstorming
>
> I started working on this when I first joined this
list, but I didn't 
> really know what I was doing and no one else seemed
very interested, 
> so I didn't get very far.  I think there are probably
sufficient 
> examples collected, but if you think there should be
more, add them.
> The next step seems to be determining the implied
schema by looking at 
> which properties meet the 80% threshold.

Also look at
http:/
/microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-proposal

which is a more general 'listings of stuff' proposal

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