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hJob
user name
2006-08-30 18:01:49
I agree with both of you; and I'm also a big supporter of
codifying
existing practices. At the same time, and this may be
anathema to the
discussion, but the design of a data format inherently
reveals the
underlying politics and biases of the designers.

I'm only suggesting that we make sure that any work done on
hJob be
bilateral in nature -- that it codifies job publishing
practices,
while at the same time, as you said, not close doors.

A question, perhaps: could we design hJob such that it could
form a
dovetail joint of sorts with hResume? That is, with any
given hResume
or hJob could I find a corresponding set of values that
might match
the original query as expressed in either format?

Chris

On 8/30/06, Don Park <donparkdocuverse.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the links Scott. Good stuff.
>
> Chris, I have to agree with Scott re your 'slight
break with convention'
> suggestion. Like you, I have thought about reusing hJob
for query/criteria
> but I think the idea adds non-trivial constraints
without offering
> sufficient immediate term rewards.
>
> However, I think a general effort should be made by
this group to
> investigate general conventions for reusing existing
microformats for
> query/criteria specification so that we don't close
doors unknowningly or
> unnecessarily when we design new microformats.
>
> - Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: microformats-discuss-bouncesmicroformats.org
> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bouncesmicroformats.org] On Behalf Of Scott
> Reynen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:52 AM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hJob
>
> On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Chris Messina wrote:
>
> > Just as I can post my own hResume, being able to
post jobs
> > descriptions that I think I'd be good at is an
equally important
> > design goal for this mF. I also think that it's
design, perhaps a
> > slight break with convention, should creatively
tackle the issue of
> > helping folks get work that they love to do.
>
> Isn't such a break with convention explicitly an
anti-goal of microformats?
> I hope marking up job listings in a standard format
will lead to better
> tools for job seekers, but to whatever extent
descriptions of desired jobs
> and descriptions of existing jobs differ, I think we
should be focused on
> what people are currently publishing on the web, which
I expect is almost
> entirely descriptions of /existing and available/ jobs.
 If I'm missing
> descriptions of desired jobs on the current web, I hope
someone will add
> appropriate examples to the wiki, but we shouldn't be
building a microformat
> around hypothetical publishing.
>
> Peace,
> Scott
>
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hJob
user name
2006-08-30 18:17:20
>A question, perhaps: could we design hJob such that it
could form a
dovetail joint of sorts with hResume? That is, with any
given hResume or
hJob could I find a corresponding set of values that might
match the
original query as expressed in either format?

Perhaps.  I tend to
favor emergent designs that allow practitioners to
extend/abuse as needed as adoption spreads. If the need is
clearly present,
I am for supporting it by design. If not, I am for going
just far enough to
ensure such use cases are not impossible.

Anyhow, let's get our roster of interested parties filled
first before we
start arguing. ;-p

- Don

-----Original Message-----
From: microformats-discuss-bouncesmicroformats.org
[mailto:microformats-discuss-bouncesmicroformats.org] On Behalf
Of Chris
Messina
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:02 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: hJob

I agree with both of you; and I'm also a big supporter of
codifying existing
practices. At the same time, and this may be anathema to the
discussion, but
the design of a data format inherently reveals the
underlying politics and
biases of the designers.

I'm only suggesting that we make sure that any work done on
hJob be
bilateral in nature -- that it codifies job publishing
practices, while at
the same time, as you said, not close doors.

A question, perhaps: could we design hJob such that it could
form a dovetail
joint of sorts with hResume? That is, with any given hResume
or hJob could I
find a corresponding set of values that might match the
original query as
expressed in either format?

Chris

On 8/30/06, Don Park <donparkdocuverse.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the links Scott. Good stuff.
>
> Chris, I have to agree with Scott re your 'slight
break with convention'
> suggestion. Like you, I have thought about reusing hJob
for 
> query/criteria but I think the idea adds non-trivial
constraints 
> without offering sufficient immediate term rewards.
>
> However, I think a general effort should be made by
this group to 
> investigate general conventions for reusing existing
microformats for 
> query/criteria specification so that we don't close
doors unknowningly 
> or unnecessarily when we design new microformats.
>
> - Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: microformats-discuss-bouncesmicroformats.org
> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bouncesmicroformats.org] On Behalf Of 
> Scott Reynen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:52 AM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hJob
>
> On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Chris Messina wrote:
>
> > Just as I can post my own hResume, being able to
post jobs 
> > descriptions that I think I'd be good at is an
equally important 
> > design goal for this mF. I also think that it's
design, perhaps a 
> > slight break with convention, should creatively
tackle the issue of 
> > helping folks get work that they love to do.
>
> Isn't such a break with convention explicitly an
anti-goal of
microformats?
> I hope marking up job listings in a standard format
will lead to 
> better tools for job seekers, but to whatever extent
descriptions of 
> desired jobs and descriptions of existing jobs differ,
I think we 
> should be focused on what people are currently
publishing on the web, 
> which I expect is almost entirely descriptions of
/existing and 
> available/ jobs.  If I'm missing descriptions of
desired jobs on the 
> current web, I hope someone will add appropriate
examples to the wiki, 
> but we shouldn't be building a microformat around
hypothetical publishing.
>
> Peace,
> Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> microformats-discuss mailing list
> microformats-discussmicroformats.org
> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microforma
ts-discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> microformats-discussmicroformats.org
> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microforma
ts-discuss
>


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Chris Messina
Agent Provocateur, Citizen Agency &
  Open Source Ambassador-at-Large
Work: http://citizenagency.com
Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog

Cell: 412 225-1051
Skype: factoryjoe
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