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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
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2006-09-22 08:08:49
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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
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2006-09-22 22:13:46
> >Typical use of dates (not times) in prose omit the
year,
>
> Nonsense.

Hardly.  Few people use a year when giving a date that is
close to the
current date.  It's assumed.  Either way it doesn't affect
the
discussion though... It's still an abbreviation.


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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
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2006-09-22 22:28:36
In message
<6991f8e00609221513w7acfe0bfped548c81997ff363mail.gmail.com>, Stephen
Paul Weber <singpolymagmail.com> writes

>> >Typical use of dates (not times) in prose omit
the year,
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
>Hardly.  Few people use a year when giving a date that
is close to the
>current date.

Who said anything about "close to the current
date"?

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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
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2006-09-22 23:11:58
On Sep 22, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:

>>>> Typical use of dates (not times) in prose
omit the year,
>>>
>>> Nonsense.
>>
>> Hardly.  Few people use a year when giving a date
that is close to  
>> the
>> current date.
>
> Who said anything about "close to the current
date"?

Most events on the web lack are published close to the date
they  
occur.  As a result, most published events on the web lack a
year.   
Most events on the web are published for an audience in the
immediate  
vicinity of the publisher.  As a result, most published
events on the  
web lack a time zone.  These two combined mean the published
event  
date is almost always less complicated than the ISO 8601
version of  
the same date.  The less complicated version is treated as
an  
abbreviation of the more complicated version, just as DVD is
a less  
complicated abbreviation of Digital Video Disc.

For examples, looking at the first five live examples for
hCalendar  
in the wiki, the first four published dates (I couldn't find
a date  
on one) are:

6 octobre 20h00
Tuesday 26th September 9.00am
9 September at 7:30pm
Thursday 7th September 2006

All but one of these lack a published year.  All of them
lack a  
published time zone.  So all are less complicated than the
ISO 8601  
version of the dates.  Which of these is not an abbreviation
of the  
equivalent ISO 8601 date?  I'm not seeing the problem here.

Peace,
Scott
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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
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2006-09-22 23:17:31
In message <EF4D9B57-BFA4-4DE4-8971-C0E3491C59F7randomchaos.com>, Scott
Reynen <scottrandomchaos.com> writes

>>>>> Typical use of dates (not times) in
prose omit the year,
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense.
>>>
>>> Hardly.  Few people use a year when giving a
date that is close to
>>>the
>>> current date.
>>
>> Who said anything about "close to the current
date"?

[...]

That would be "no-one", then.
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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
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2006-09-23 08:09:25
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 22/09/2006 09:08:
> In message <C13885B0.7B74B%tantekcs.stanford.edu>, Tantek Çelik
> <tantekcs.stanford.edu> writes

>> Typical use of dates (not times) in prose omit the
year,
> 
> Nonsense.
> 
>> as well in sites,
>> search results for events etc., whereas the example
given puts the date in
>> the prose.  Using the year inline every time a day
and month is state is the
>> edge case.
> 
> Again, nonsense.

Don't see any visible dates for the majority of 
<ht
tp://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/newATOM.htm>

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2006-09-23 11:25:00
In message <fPZdKmkRo5EFFwd7pigsonthewing.org.uk>,
Andy Mabbett
<andypigsonthewing.org.uk> writes

>>> I believe that "chicken-littling" is
an Americanism meaning "scare
>>> mongering". If so, who is doing that?
>>
>>The accessify link you pointed to is one such
example though there have been
>>some threads in this list as well.
>
>I was referring specifically to the former, and my
question was "who"
>not "where". Please be more specific.

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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
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2006-09-23 11:32:46
In message <4514EBB5.8070102garyjones.co.uk>, Gazza
<gazzagaryjones.co.uk> writes

>>> Typical use of dates (not times) in prose omit
the year,
>>  Nonsense.
>>
>>> as well in sites,
>>> search results for events etc., whereas the
example given puts the date in
>>> the prose.  Using the year inline every time a
day and month is state is the
>>> edge case.
>>  Again, nonsense.
>
>Don't see any visible dates for the majority of <http://www.westmidland
>birdclub.com/newATOM.htm>

So? That's the last two months.

The last five years:

        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/site/new-2006.htm>

        ...
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/site/new-2001.htm>


have visible year-dates.

Then there are:

        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/birmingham/indoor
.htm>
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/birmingham/field.h
tm>
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/coventry/indoor.htm
>
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/coventry/field.htm&g
t;
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/kidderminster/
indoor.htm>
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/kidderminster/f
ield.htm>
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/solihull/indoor.htm
>
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/solihull/field.htm&g
t;
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/stafford/indoor.htm
>
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/stafford/field.htm&g
t;
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/tamworth/indoor.htm
>
        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/tamworth/field.htm&g
t;

Not to mention every birth- and death- date on Wikipedia,
e.g.:

        <http://e
n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syd_Barrett>

Every record release date:

        <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_Of_The_Moon>

Every battle:

        <ht
tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypres#World_War_I>

and a wide variety of other historical events:

        <http:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_%28moon%29>

Or is "edge case" a euphemisms for "something
which inconveniently
doesn't fit my arbitrary world-view"?
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