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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
user name
 2006-09-23 00:26:56 
I'm replying a bit out of order here since I only just
subscribed to  
this list.


In message <C138691F.7B722%tantek at cs.stanford.edu>,
Tantek Çelik  
<tantek at cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> OBJECT has been problematic in Safari for quite some
time, and  
> still is
> AFAIK.

I think you may be basing this on out-of-date information,
as the  
current Safari 1.3 and Safari 2.0 have pretty good
<object> support.

> In terms of bug-reporting, I'd suggest pointing the
Safari team at  
> the draft
> HTML 4.01 test suite to *at least* pass all the test
cases there.
>
>  http:/
/www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/HTML401/current/

Many of these tests are outright wrong. For example, no
browser that  
I tested, including Mac IE, passes the following test. And
what it is  
testing does not appear to be at all justified by the HTML
4.01 spec:

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/HTML401/curr
ent/tests/sec13_3-BF-01.html

That being said, there does appear to be a genuine bug with
falling  
back from img objects that point to a broken image. I filed
it as


http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10992

> http://ta
ntek.com/log/2005/01.html#d26t0100
>
> Following the descriptions contained within that post,
it is  
> trivial to
> construct perhaps a half dozen or so OBJECT test cases
which Safari  
> fails.

In current Safari, <object
data="20050125">January 25</object> works
 
just fine as expected. As to your other earlier points:

* "It doesn't handle <object> fallbacks" --
Current Safari handles  
<object> fallbacks fine.
* "it doesn't know when not to handle <object>
mime types that it  
doesn't support" -- I'm not sure what this means, but
you do get  
fallback on an unsupported MIME type.
* "it doesn't support display:inline on
<object>" -- It certainly  
does, in fact this is the default display type for
<object>.
* "it doesn't do proper intrinsic sizing of
<object> replaced  
elements" -- It does for image types as long as you
specify the  
content type correctly. Which I think is the only case where
this is  
relevant.

It is true that a lot of this didn't work as well in
previous Safari  
versions. We would also be happy to fix any remaining
<object> (or  
other) bugs that impede microformat design. Please let us
know if you  
have specific ones to report.

Regards,
Maciej

P.S. In the case of dates I think <abbr> is a better
choice than  
<object> since <object> is much more heavyweight
in terms of  
implementation. I wouldn't recommend the use of
<object> unless you  
actually intend to embed content from an external resource.

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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
user name
 2006-09-23 11:38:41 
In message <FEAF55BA-B496-4E9E-AAC1-158E88237D33apple.com>, Maciej
Stachowiak <mjsapple.com> writes

>I'm replying a bit out of order here since I only just
subscribed to
>this list.

I think you might also want to make those points on:

        <http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6167>

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Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
user name
 2006-09-25 12:43:37 
> In current Safari, <object
data="20050125">January 25</object> works
> just fine as expected.

Yes, but <abbr> just makes more sense

1) because it's a better match to what the XHTML actually
means
2) because abbr data is visible to users without viewing the
code,
<object> is not (usually)
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user name
 2006-09-25 14:36:35 
> > In current Safari, <object
data="20050125">January 25</object> works
> > just fine as expected.
>
> Yes, but <abbr> just makes more sense
>
> 1) because it's a better match to what the XHTML
actually means
> 2) because abbr data is visible to users without
viewing the code,
> <object> is not (usually)

Hi, so the semantic web and W3C reccomends the use of
markups in the
right way that markup as created.

So the markup <abbr> as for "abbreviation"
it match for the date in this way:

<abbr title="January">Jan</abbr>

In this example I used abbr to indicate an abbreviated form
of
January. Right way also for weeksday names like Mon (Monday)
and
others...

Other specific accessibility markup is <acronym> for
the use with
acronym right. Example:

<acronym title="National Aeronautics and Space
Administration">NASA</acronym>

In this way, <object> is used in order to include
multimedia or other
generic object.

So, I'm sorry but have just joined in this list. What is the
problem with data?

Regards,

Simone
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