Proposal: species

In message <06679606-BD0B-4CF2-9516-54D78D6A6930lava.net>, Colin
Barrett <timberlava.net> writes

>
>On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>
>> "Human being" is a reference to a
species, and should be marked up as
>> such on any page which includes it in a biological
context.
>
>That's quite a bit of extra metadata -- IIRC the species
tree has a
>height of about six or seven at its shortest. Is that
really necessary
>on EVERY page mentioning a scientific name in a
biological context?

No. Who has suggested that it is?

>Could an automated tool be written to, when the text
"Homo sapiens" is
>encountered, automatically mark it up into the correct
species
>microformat?

Yes - any find-and-replace tool can do that.

>is Genus Species a fairly unique way of identifying 
something?

Of course. The whole point of taxonomy is to uniquely name
things.

>Or are there collisions?

No.

>I think questions like those will help your case --
sending dozens of
>links to this list will not.

Then you'd better ask TC why he asked for them.

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On Sep 23, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> In message <06679606-BD0B-4CF2-9516-54D78D6A6930lava.net>, Colin
> Barrett <timberlava.net> writes
>
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>>
>>> "Human being" is a reference to a
species, and should be marked up  
>>> as
>>> such on any page which includes it in a
biological context.
>>
>> That's quite a bit of extra metadata -- IIRC the
species tree has a
>> height of about six or seven at its shortest. Is
that really  
>> necessary
>> on EVERY page mentioning a scientific name in a
biological context?
>
> No. Who has suggested that it is?

Nobody -- I was unclear on the concept. The answer to the
question is  
apparently: No.

>
>> Could an automated tool be written to, when the
text "Homo sapiens"  
>> is
>> encountered, automatically mark it up into the
correct species
>> microformat?
>
> Yes - any find-and-replace tool can do that.
>
>> is Genus Species a fairly unique way of identifying
 something?
>
> Of course. The whole point of taxonomy is to uniquely
name things.

OK, I didn't know that.

>
>> Or are there collisions?
>
>
>> I think questions like those will help your case --
sending dozens of
>> links to this list will not.
>
> Then you'd better ask TC why he asked for them.

I don't think he was asking for them to be posted to the
list, but to  
be put on the examples page. I hope you're not coming away
with the  
impression that people are attacking your idea or trying to
shoot it  
down -- we're just trying to understand the "who, what,
where, why,  
when, how" of this proposal -- not all of us are
experts in Taxonomy  
-- evidenced earlier in this email .

I think the work you've been doing on this and the geo stuff
is  
interesting -- unfortunately haven't had a chance to use
them in my  
markup, but I am interested to see where things progress.

-Colin
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In message <4E34BB54-0689-4448-BC6D-1A6F066A96DDlava.net>, Colin
Barrett <timberlava.net> writes

>>> I think questions like those will help your
case -- sending dozens of
>>> links to this list will not.
>>
>> Then you'd better ask TC why he asked for them.
>
>I don't think he was asking for them to be posted to the
list, but to
>be put on the examples page.

Immediately after citing, on this mailing, list an example
relating to
Geo, he said:

        Andy, one thing that might help for the species
discussion is if
        you could cite URLs to a site or sites with millions
(or even
        thousands) of clearly obvious uses of
"species" terminology (not
        just offhanded references like "human
being" or "plant") on
        pages.

>I hope you're not coming away with the  impression that
people are
>attacking your idea or trying to shoot it  down -- we're
just trying to
>understand the "who, what, where, why,  when,
how" of this proposal --
>not all of us are experts in Taxonomy  -- evidenced
earlier in this
>email .

You and others maybe, but some certainly are "attacking
and shooting
down", or at least trying to - and being disingenuous,
if not dishonest,
in doing so.

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On 9/24/06 10:08 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <andypigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

> In message <4E34BB54-0689-4448-BC6D-1A6F066A96DDlava.net>, Colin
> Barrett <timberlava.net> writes
> 
>>>> I think questions like those will help your
case -- sending dozens of
>>>> links to this list will not.
>>> 
>>> Then you'd better ask TC why he asked for them.
>> 
>> I don't think he was asking for them to be posted
to the list, but to
>> be put on the examples page.
> 
> Immediately after citing, on this mailing, list an
example relating to
> Geo, he said:

In particular I noted a geo example already documented *on
the wiki*.

>       Andy, one thing that might help for the species
discussion is if
>       you could cite URLs to a site or sites with
millions (or even
>       thousands) of clearly obvious uses of
"species" terminology (not
>       just offhanded references like "human
being" or "plant") on
>       pages.

Colin (and others') interpretation is correct, citing on the
*-examples page
(and then perhaps referencing it in email) is what I was
asking for, if
implicitly.

Thanks,

Tantek

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