rel="nsfw"

It seems to me this guy is embarking on a microformats type
project,
or at least he would benefit from some of the combined
experience this
mailing list could provide:

http://pj.do
land.org/archives/041571.php (original idea)
http://pj.do
land.org/archives/041577.php (follow up post)

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Intriguing, yes....but it would be even more valuable if
tied to a
rating system of some sort. ie a user picks from a series of
de facto
rating standards which give a ranked value to whatever is
labeled as
NSFW perhaps then using CSS or Javascript to appropriately
color
links. something to think about as NSFW can be quite vague.

On 12/29/06, Robert Crowther <robertcgmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to me this guy is embarking on a microformats
type project,
> or at least he would benefit from some of the combined
experience this
> mailing list could provide:
>
> http://pj.do
land.org/archives/041571.php (original idea)
> http://pj.do
land.org/archives/041577.php (follow up post)
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On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:43 AM, B.K. DeLong wrote:

> Intriguing, yes....but it would be even more valuable
if tied to a
> rating system of some sort. ie a user picks from a
series of de facto
> rating standards which give a ranked value to whatever
is labeled as
> NSFW perhaps then using CSS or Javascript to
appropriately color
> links. something to think about as NSFW can be quite
vague.

"More valuable" is all relative to likelihood to
be published.  I  
believe rel="nsfw" was suggested on this list a
while back, and this  
same vagueness issue was raised at the time.  But I think in
 
practice, almost no one is publishing ratings with links,
and many  
people are publishing "NSFW" warnings.  So vague
as it may be, it's  
apparently communicating something useful on the live web
today.

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On Dec 29, 2006, at 7:43 AM, B.K. DeLong wrote:

> Intriguing, yes....but it would be even more valuable
if tied to a
> rating system of some sort. ie a user picks from a
series of de facto
> rating standards which give a ranked value to whatever
is labeled as
> NSFW perhaps then using CSS or Javascript to
appropriately color
> links. something to think about as NSFW can be quite
vague.

I had similar thoughts

I usually work from my own office so there basically isn't
anything  
that isn't safe (unless I'm with a client, but then I'm
usually not  
surfing)... so if I did install some sort of warning device
based off  
of a simple NSFW flag the indicator would be more often then
not a  
false positive... or being caught by some site that doesn't
use the  
attribute [the goatse test].


But I guess ultimately I don't see much harm in it either.
Lots of  
forums or other link based sites [e.g. FARK] routinely label
items as  
NSFW - even though no one can ever agree the usage is
correct - so  
who am I to say that there isn't an opportunity to codify + 

standardize that label. On purely technical merits I see it
having a  
lot more going for it then some of the other formats that
have been  
proposed.

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In message <BC9F5796-2C67-462D-B48A-9FE6DB056554randomchaos.com>, Scott
Reynen <scottrandomchaos.com> writes

>many  people are publishing "NSFW" warnings. 
So vague as it may be,
>it's  apparently communicating something useful on the
live web today.

That's "something useful in a large judeo-christian
western democracy",
then...

What's "safe for work" in China, or Iran?

Is a nude picture of a 17-year old safe for work in Holland?
Or the UK?

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At 07:43 -0500 29.12.2006, B.K. DeLong wrote:
>Intriguing, yes....but it would be even more valuable if
tied to a
>rating system of some sort. ie a user picks from a
series of de facto
>rating standards which give a ranked value to whatever
is labeled as
>NSFW ...

I guess that PICS <http://www.w3.org/PICS/&g
t; is pretty much dead, huh?

I briefly tried to add ratings to one of my websites (on the
grounds 
that I had a mix of content, some of which was kid-friendly
and some 
of which was not). PICS didn't help itself by being agnostic
on 
exactly how content was to be rated, so that you had to
choose from a 
list of 'self-rating vocabularies', none of which received
any 
official blessing. If I recall correctly, I tried to use
RSACi, found 
it inflexible and poorly thought-out, and - like everyone
else - gave 
up on the whole idea.

Firefox and Safari don't seem to have any provision for this
kind of 
thing; I don't know if Explorer still does, but I have the
impression 
that enthusiasm has all but died. It's been a long time
since I've 
heard anyone actually talk about the issue.

RSACi now seems to have been absorbed into ICRA 
<http://www.shareicons.
com/> or <http://www.feedicons.co
m/> to 
popularize a particular icon.

There's room for debate about what the icon should look
like, but I 
personally favor a stylized 'goatse' image. Set in white on
top of 
one of those Web2.0-ish 'glassy-look chiclet' backgrounds -
like the 
feed and share icons - it could look quite stylish. 

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On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:46 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> In message <BC9F5796-2C67-462D-B48A-9FE6DB056554randomchaos.com>,  
> Scott
> Reynen <scottrandomchaos.com> writes
>
>> many  people are publishing "NSFW"
warnings.  So vague as it may be,
>> it's  apparently communicating something useful on
the live web  
>> today.
>
> That's "something useful in a large
judeo-christian western  
> democracy",
> then...
>
> What's "safe for work" in China, or Iran?
>
> Is a nude picture of a 17-year old safe for work in
Holland? Or the  
> UK?
>

I don't think that matters AT ALL to the discussion at hand,
which  
was one of my points in my previous post. Its a judgement
call by the  
authors or contributors of a site... just like the use of
most other  
'tags' is fairly arbitrary and appropriateness can be argued
to death.


The way I see it if we are examining the usage of the label,
as is  
and separate from any ratings system. I see it used quite
often on  
the web today - mostly in forums or community sites like
fark, mefi,  
message boards etc. There is little sense in arguing over
its  
appropriate application to the content because people are
already  
making those judgement calls themselves. Instead those
interested  
should probably look at the implementation details instead
(see  
Phae's previous links for a starting point... compare with  
rel="NSFW"... look at live usage examples... try
and come to a  
consensus that can be FAQd and promoted)

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In message <00957E60-6AD5-41C8-80A9-463230CE5EAFplacenamehere.com>,
Chris Casciano <chrisplacenamehere.com>
writes

>>> many  people are publishing "NSFW"
warnings.  So vague as it may be,
>>> it's  apparently communicating something useful
on the live web
>>>today.
>>
>> That's "something useful in a large
judeo-christian western
>>democracy",
>> then...
>>
>> What's "safe for work" in China, or Iran?
>>
>> Is a nude picture of a 17-year old safe for work in
Holland? Or the
>>UK?
>>
>
>I don't think that matters AT ALL to the discussion at
hand

On the contrary - it matters a great deal, unless you want
uFs to only
codify a sub-set of judeo-christian western behaviours.

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In message <00957E60-6AD5-41C8-80A9-463230CE5EAFplacenamehere.com>,
Chris Casciano <chrisplacenamehere.com>
writes

>>> many  people are publishing "NSFW"
warnings.  So vague as it may be,
>>> it's  apparently communicating something useful
on the live web
>>>today.
>>
>> That's "something useful in a large
judeo-christian western
>>democracy",
>> then...
>>
>> What's "safe for work" in China, or Iran?
>>
>> Is a nude picture of a 17-year old safe for work in
Holland? Or the
>>UK?
>>
>
>I don't think that matters AT ALL to the discussion at
hand

On the contrary - it matters a great deal, unless you want
uFs to only
codify a sub-set of judeo-christian western behaviours.

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In message <00957E60-6AD5-41C8-80A9-463230CE5EAFplacenamehere.com>,
Chris Casciano <chrisplacenamehere.com>
writes

>>> many  people are publishing "NSFW"
warnings.  So vague as it may be,
>>> it's  apparently communicating something useful
on the live web
>>>today.
>>
>> That's "something useful in a large
judeo-christian western
>>democracy",
>> then...
>>
>> What's "safe for work" in China, or Iran?
>>
>> Is a nude picture of a 17-year old safe for work in
Holland? Or the
>>UK?
>>
>
>I don't think that matters AT ALL to the discussion at
hand

On the contrary - it matters a great deal, unless you want
uFs to only
codify a sub-set of judeo-christian western behaviours.

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