Re: Microformats and forms

At 13:35 25/01/2007, you wrote:
>> Hi Chris, that's an interesting application idea
but I think the idea
>> behind a microformat is to describe content in the
HTML document in a
>> standardized format (based on common usage
elsewhere such as vCard)
>> rather than store it externally (for use by the
browser to populate a
>> form).

> I don't think this is the point, Chris wanted to focus
on.
> If there would be a standarized format how to describe
form elements
> it would help developers of extentions, plugins and
useragents to
> automatically prefill it. (Instead of just guessing if
its possibly a
> login-field).

Right - so as well as being able to use microformats to
signal "this block of HTML is an hCard" it might
be possible to signal "this HTML form will accept an
hCard".

I hate to think how many times I've had to enter my details
into various ecommerce sites!

Chris

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Chris Newell <chris.newellrd.bbc.co.uk> writes:

> At 13:35 25/01/2007, you wrote:
>>> Hi Chris, that's an interesting application
idea but I think the idea
>>> behind a microformat is to describe content in
the HTML document in a
>>> standardized format (based on common usage
elsewhere such as vCard)
>>> rather than store it externally (for use by the
browser to populate a
>>> form).
>
>> I don't think this is the point, Chris wanted to
focus on.
>> If there would be a standarized format how to
describe form elements
>> it would help developers of extentions, plugins and
useragents to
>> automatically prefill it. (Instead of just guessing
if its possibly a
>> login-field).
>
> Right - so as well as being able to use microformats to
signal "this
> block of HTML is an hCard" it might be possible to
signal "this HTML
> form will accept an hCard".
>
> I hate to think how many times I've had to enter my
details into
> various ecommerce sites!

Partly this is an id thing. openid (http://openid.net) hope to
sort
some of these problems out.

-- 
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rier.co.uk   for all your tapsell ferrier needs
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On Jan 25, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Chris Newell wrote:

> At 13:35 25/01/2007, you wrote:
>>> Hi Chris, that's an interesting application
idea but I think the  
>>> idea
>>> behind a microformat is to describe content in
the HTML document  
>>> in a
>>> standardized format (based on common usage
elsewhere such as vCard)
>>> rather than store it externally (for use by the
browser to  
>>> populate a
>>> form).
>
>> I don't think this is the point, Chris wanted to
focus on.
>> If there would be a standarized format how to
describe form elements
>> it would help developers of extentions, plugins and
useragents to
>> automatically prefill it. (Instead of just guessing
if its possibly a
>> login-field).
>
> Right - so as well as being able to use microformats to
signal  
> "this block of HTML is an hCard" it might be
possible to signal  
> "this HTML form will accept an hCard".

This has been discussed previously:

On Sep 28, 2006, at 5:58 AM, Ben Ward wrote:

> Lets say you have a personal registration form in your
web app, for  
> entering contact data which will later be output as an
hCard in  
> various places.
>
> What if I was to mark up the form (and fields) with
hCard classes?  
> Good idea? Bad idea? I strikes me that it could be
useful for auto- 
> complete applications, but not sure if it would
‘pollute’ the web  
> with effectively a useless/empty hCard when the form is
published.

<http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats
-discuss/2006- 
September/005951.html>

I don't see any clear conclusion in that thread, but it was
a lengthy  
discussion that we'd save ourselves some time by reviewing
before we  
repeat ourselves.

Peace,
Scott


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At 14:27 25/01/2007, Scott wrote:
>On Sep 28, 2006, at 5:58 AM, Ben Ward wrote:
>>What if I was to mark up the form (and fields) with
hCard classes?  
>>Good idea? Bad idea? I strikes me that it could be
useful for auto- complete applications, but not sure if it
would ‘pollute’ the web  
>>with effectively a useless/empty hCard when the form
is published.
>
><http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats
-discuss/2006- September/005951.html>
>
>I don't see any clear conclusion in that thread, but it
was a lengthy  
>discussion that we'd save ourselves some time by
reviewing before we  
>repeat ourselves.

Thanks Scott - sorry I didn't spot this earlier. I think it
would be worth re-opening this issue since there was no
conclusion.

What appears to be missing from the original discussion was
input from implementers e.g. how would an existing client
implementation react to an empty HTML form marked-up with
microformat classes? What are the constraints on taking this
concept further?

Are there any implementers out there who could comment?

Chris

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