Rel-tag issues...)

> The better approach is to lobby the software/server
folks to fix their
> implementation,

Right. On this point, does anyone have a contact at Blogger?
Support
emails do not get individual replies so we need someone to
contact a
real live human.

I mean, sure, I can keep banging away at their support form
but their
email auto-responder just isn't convinced by my polite
inquiries. This
is a big community, surely someone knows someone at
Blogger/Google...?

The issue is this:

<a rel='tag' href="http://example.com/labels/testing.html">
;testing</a>

...being the new Blogger's version of tagging. The existence
of
rel='tag' suggests a desire to implement rel-tag. The .html
suggests
that all Blogger posts will be indexed as tagterm.html

cheers,

Ben

ps. yes I did ask this in another thread, however the
response was
crickets so I'm pulling it out into a new one 

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On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:54 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote:

>> The better approach is to lobby the software/server
folks to fix  
>> their
>> implementation,
>
> Right. On this point, does anyone have a contact at
Blogger? Support
> emails do not get individual replies so we need someone
to contact a
> real live human.

I have contacts there, yes.

> I mean, sure, I can keep banging away at their support
form but their
> email auto-responder just isn't convinced by my polite
inquiries. This
> is a big community, surely someone knows someone at
Blogger/Google...?
>
> The issue is this:
>
> <a rel='tag' href="http://example.com/labels/testing.html">
;testing</a>
>
> ...being the new Blogger's version of tagging. The
existence of
> rel='tag' suggests a desire to implement rel-tag. The
.html suggests
> that all Blogger posts will be indexed as tagterm.html

Can you show me an example of them getting it wrong?

I just republished my son's blog to check:

http://funnystories.blogspot.com/2007/02/st
op-motion-with-people.html

  and it correctly used:

<a rel='tag' href="http:/
/funnystories.blogspot.com/search/label/ 
helmet">helmet</a>

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> > Right. On this point, does anyone have a contact
at Blogger? Support
> > emails do not get individual replies so we need
someone to contact a
> > real live human.
> I have contacts there, yes.
[snip]
> Can you show me an example of them getting it wrong?

Some contact was made on the 9th, so perhaps things really
have moved
that quickly! There's been no mention on
http://knownissues.b
logspot.com/ as yet.

For reference, a test post published earlier shows the
error:
htt
p://itn278.200ok.com.au/2007/01/test-post.html

It contains <a rel='tag'
href="http://itn278.200ok.com.au/labels/testi
ng.html">testing</a>
which is what the new Blogger was producing on Jan 31st
(page template
is one of the standard Blogger templates, I think one or
two
modifications but nothing which would effect the output of
tags).

cheers

Ben

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I contacted one of the product managers we know at Blogger,
Eric
Case...he's usually pretty great at getting back right
away.

Tara

On 2/11/07, Ben Buchanan <microformats200ok.com.au> wrote:
> > > Right. On this point, does anyone have a
contact at Blogger? Support
> > > emails do not get individual replies so we
need someone to contact a
> > > real live human.
> > I have contacts there, yes.
> [snip]
> > Can you show me an example of them getting it
wrong?
>
> Some contact was made on the 9th, so perhaps things
really have moved
> that quickly! There's been no mention on
> http://knownissues.b
logspot.com/ as yet.
>
> For reference, a test post published earlier shows the
error:
> htt
p://itn278.200ok.com.au/2007/01/test-post.html
>
> It contains <a rel='tag'
> href="http://itn278.200ok.com.au/labels/testi
ng.html">testing</a>
> which is what the new Blogger was producing on Jan 31st
(page template
> is one of the standard Blogger templates, I think one
or two
> modifications but nothing which would effect the output
of tags).
>
> cheers
>
> Ben
>
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On Feb 11, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote:

>> > Right. On this point, does anyone have a
contact at Blogger?  
>> Support
>> > emails do not get individual replies so we
need someone to  
>> contact a
>> > real live human.
>> I have contacts there, yes.
> [snip]
>> Can you show me an example of them getting it
wrong?
>
> Some contact was made on the 9th, so perhaps things
really have moved
> that quickly! There's been no mention on
> http://knownissues.b
logspot.com/ as yet.
>
> For reference, a test post published earlier shows the
error:
> htt
p://itn278.200ok.com.au/2007/01/test-post.html
>
> It contains <a rel='tag'
> href="http://itn278.200ok.com.au/labels/testi
ng.html">testing</a>
> which is what the new Blogger was producing on Jan 31st
(page template
> is one of the standard Blogger templates, I think one
or two
> modifications but nothing which would effect the output
of tags).

Try making a fresh post, or republishing that one. This may
be a  
blogger issue with publishing via ftp?
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> > For reference, a test post published earlier shows
the error:
> > htt
p://itn278.200ok.com.au/2007/01/test-post.html
> Try making a fresh post, or republishing that one. This
may be a
> blogger issue with publishing via ftp?

I created a new test post
(http://itn278.200ok.com.au/2007/02/another-tag-test.html
) and
republished the entire blog. The old format persists.

I also created a test on a blog that's also published via
FTP but had
no previous "labelled" posts; it produced <a
rel='tag'
href="http://weblog.200ok.com.au/labels/test.html&q
uot;>test</a> (I've
removed the post now).

However a test on blogspot-hosted blog produced <a
rel='tag'
href="http://cheshrkat.blogspot.com/search
/label/concrete%20cafe">concrete
cafe</a>

So, it looks like so far Blogger have only changed to a
compliant
format for blogspot-hosted blogs. Guess we'll wait and see
if that's
resolved.

cheers,

Ben

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On 2/11/07, Kevin Marks <kevinmarksmac.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 11, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote:
> > It contains <a rel='tag'
> > href="http://itn278.200ok.com.au/labels/testi
ng.html">testing</a>
> > which is what the new Blogger was producing on Jan
31st (page template
> > is one of the standard Blogger templates, I think
one or two
> > modifications but nothing which would effect the
output of tags).
>
> Try making a fresh post, or republishing that one. This
may be a
> blogger issue with publishing via ftp?

When I debugged this problem, that is exactly what I
discovered. It is
only broke when you publish via FTP. It is not broke when
you are
hosted by blogger.

I switched to WordPress because of this problem.

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On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Mike Kaply wrote:

> On 2/11/07, Kevin Marks <kevinmarksmac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Try making a fresh post, or republishing that one.
This may be a
>> blogger issue with publishing via ftp?
>
> When I debugged this problem, that is exactly what I
discovered. It is
> only broke when you publish via FTP. It is not broke
when you are
> hosted by blogger.
>
> I switched to WordPress because of this problem.

Exactly. But this is not a problem with Blogger, this is a
solution  
to a larger, more practical problem than rel-tag. The
Blogger  
developers have to support plain-old web hosts without
modification  
of the server config; a link URL to a restful tag space is
not going  
to work on most simple web hosts. The Blogger developers
know this  
and have to append .html onto the files they publish. The
fact that  
the Blogger developers cannot implement to spec–or would
need an even  
hackier workaround* in order to implement the rel-tag
spec–is  
indicative of a problem with the spec.

I'm not saying we all need to agree to the solution, I'm
merely  
suggesting that it's either naive or arrogant to defiantly
deny there  
is a problem.

Cheers,
James

PS. The hackier workaround for Blogger; feel free to forward
to your  
contacts there if you think this is a viable solution (I
don't):  
myURL.com links tagspace to blogger redirect site like so: 

blogger.com/tags/redirect/siteID/tagspace with a 301 to back
to the  
actual tagspace on the hosted site.

myURL.com links to:
<a rel="tag" href="http://blogger.com/tagredirect/mySiteId/foo&qu
ot;>foo</a>
http://bl
ogger.com/tagredirect/mySiteId/foo responds with a 301 

(moved perm) to
http://myURL.com/lab
els/foo.html

Though this is a "solution" (finger quotes
emphasized), I hope the  
ridiculousness of it hammers home our point that there is a
problem  
with the rel-tag spec.


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On Feb 12, 2007, at 1:23 PM, James Craig wrote:

> The Blogger developers have to support plain-old web
hosts without  
> modification of the server config; a link URL to a
restful tag  
> space is not going to work on most simple web hosts.

This may not solve 100% of issues, but I think Blogger could
make  
over 90% of plain-old web hosts work with the current
rel-tag spec by  
simply uploading tagname/index.html instead of tagname.html
and then  
point links to tagname/ (which resolves to index.html on
most plain- 
old web hosts).

Peace,
Scott

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Scott Reynen wrote:

> This may not solve 100% of issues, but I think Blogger
could make  
> over 90% of plain-old web hosts work with the current
rel-tag spec  
> by simply uploading tagname/index.html instead of
tagname.html and  
> then point links to tagname/ (which resolves to
index.html on most  
> plain-old web hosts).

The simplest solution is usually the best, eh? Good idea.
*slaps  
forehead*

For the record though, I still think there should be
markup-only  
fallback, such as putting the tagName in a title attribute.

either
<a rel="tag"
href="/search/tag/foo">All uses of
FOO</a>
or
<a rel="tag" title="foo"
href="/search?tag=foo">All uses of
FOO</a>


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