Hatom or hcalendar?

Hey all,

Question: would you mark up Twitter statuses with hatom or
hcalendar?

The reason I ask is that Jeremy Keith's lifestream uses
hcalendar --
and that statuses have either a title or content, but not
both --
whereas the status itself could be consider the hcalendar
summary...

Of course the answer would also be useful for tumblelogs...

Thoughts?

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Chris asked:
> Question: would you mark up Twitter statuses with hatom
or hcalendar?
>
> The reason I ask is that Jeremy Keith's lifestream uses
hcalendar --
> and that statuses have either a title or content, but
not both --
> whereas the status itself could be consider the
hcalendar summary...

This is a really good question. My first thought was
"Yeah, why  
*didn't* I use hAtom?" After all, there's nothing to
stop me using  
both hCalendar and hAtom...

So I started editing the template and I hit a snag: I don't
have an  
author listed for each entry. Author is required for hAtom.
Now, I  
could just put a single hCard somewhere within the hAtom
feed and  
that would solve the problem:

 From http://lifestream.adac
tio.com/

But that's not a valid hAtom feed.

I have to say that I find it a little weird that author is
required  
but entry-title is not. Looking at the Atom spec,
"title" is a  
required feed element and "author" is recommended.
For hAtom, that's  
been inverted:

http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication
/#requiredFeedElements

This has probably been discussed before, right? If anybody
has some  
URLs pointing to previous discussions of this issue, that'd
be much  
appreciated.

Bye,

Jeremy

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On 3/23/07, Jeremy Keith <jeremyadactio.com> wrote:
> This is a really good question. My first thought was
"Yeah, why
> *didn't* I use hAtom?" After all, there's nothing
to stop me using
> both hCalendar and hAtom...
>
> So I started editing the template and I hit a snag: I
don't have an
> author listed for each entry. Author is required for
hAtom. Now, I
> could just put a single hCard somewhere within the
hAtom feed and
> that would solve the problem:
>
>  From http://lifestream.adac
tio.com/
>
> But that's not a valid hAtom feed.

My belief now is that hAtom 0.2 should provide a better set
of
defaulting rules, especially for "author". It's
crazy that hAtom
brings you 95% of the way to marking up microcontent and
then lets
down what seems to be a fairly common use case. What this
default
should be is a mystery, perhaps something like
"page" or "anonymous"
with the "url" to be that of the page.

> I have to say that I find it a little weird that author
is required
> but entry-title is not. Looking at the Atom spec,
"title" is a
> required feed element and "author" is
recommended. For hAtom, that's
> been inverted:
>
> http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication
/#requiredFeedElements

No, this [1] is what you want to be looking at.

Regards, etc...
David

[1] http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndica
tion/#recommendedEntryElements

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On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:09 AM, Jeremy Keith wrote:

>
> But I'm not publishing an <address> already and
isn't the whole  
> idea of microformats that we don't change *what* we're
publishing,  
> just add more meaning to what we're already
publishing?
>
> Of course, I can go ahead and add the hAtom classes
anyway:
> http://lifestream.adac
tio.com/
>
> But that's not a valid hAtom feed.
>
> I have to say that I find it a little weird that author
is required  
> but entry-title is not. Looking at the Atom spec,
"title" is a  
> required feed element and "author" is
recommended. For hAtom,  
> that's been inverted:
>
> http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication
/#requiredFeedElements
>
> This has probably been discussed before, right? If
anybody has some  
> URLs pointing to previous discussions of this issue,
that'd be much  
> appreciated.


without touching on the core issues [way to early to think
my way  
through the docs] looking at the page, though sparse, it
does strike  
me that you are already posting URL, nick and potentially
logo/photo  
[if you consider it such] in the following markup:

<h1><a href="http://adactio.com/" accesskey="1" title="Home (access  
key: 1)"><img src="images/logo.gif"
alt="adactio" /></a></h1>

i'll leave you to decide how to best turn that into a vcard
that that  
can be associated with the hatom feed [but expanding the
scope of the  
hatom root node would avoid need for some things like use of
the  
nearest in parent fallback.

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David wrote:
> No, this [1] is what you want to be looking at.
> [1] http:/
/atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/ 
> #recommendedEntryElements

Ah, I stand corrected. I didn't read closely enough:

"Names one author of the entry. An entry may have
multiple authors.  
An entry must contain at least one author element unless
there is an  
author element in the enclosing feed, or there is an author
element  
in the enclosed source element."

Thanks for the correction.

Chris C. wrote:
> without touching on the core issues [way to early to
think my way  
> through the docs] looking at the page, though sparse,
it does  
> strike me that you are already posting URL, nick and
potentially  
> logo/photo [if you consider it such] in the following
markup:
>
> <h1><a href="http://adactio.com/" accesskey="1" title="Home (access  
> key: 1)"><img
src="images/logo.gif" alt="adactio"
/></a></h1>

Good point. I'll get on that. Thanks.

Bye,

Jeremy

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In message <A784C18B-E57C-4659-9B68-BE8AFC8D2026adactio.com>, Jeremy
Keith <jeremyadactio.com> writes

>So I started editing the template and I hit a snag: I
don't have an
>author listed for each entry. Author is required for
hAtom. Now, I
>could just put a single hCard somewhere within the hAtom
feed and  that
>would solve the problem:
>
>From http:/
/www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/new.htm>

I had no author on the page. It prompted me to include a
footer, with an
hCard, in every age, which itself was a good thing, but that
may have
been either desirable nor possible.

Furthermore, if people subscribe to the resultant feed, they
don't even
get to see the author details!

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