hPrivacy

Does this OpenID+hCard deals with selective privacy? i.e.
showing 
certain information to only some class of people?

I have tried to solve this problem on my own with something
I call 
"hPrivacy".

I know this is more semantic HTML than Microformats, but I
think this 
may be relevant to this list.

hPrivacy is about using hprivacy-friends, hprivacy-pro, etc.
class 
attributes in the HTML to annotate what I want specific
groups to see 
about my identity. A proxy or Web server module is used to
filter the 
content based on the visitor's group.

It's very early and not finished (visitors cannot
authenticate or 
provide secrets that prove they belong to a particular
group, in a way 
akin to Danah Boyd's SecureId 
http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/th
esis/secureid.html), but 
I have implemented the proxy that filters the HTML content
based on the 
group.

Here is what the public sees: http://lebleu.org/index.p
hp
Here is what my friends see: http://leble
u.org/index.php?group=family 
(of course this URL is just for the prototype)
Here is what my pro contacts see: http://lebleu.o
rg/index.php?group=pro 
(of course this URL is just for the prototype)

In the source HTML of these pages, you won't see any
hprivacy- 
attributes as they are removed to not provide any clue as to
which group 
a visitor does not belong to.

Here is the actual HTML with the hprivacy attributes: 
http://lebleu.org/hcard.
html (should be in a private folder retrieved by 
the Web server module/proxy) where you can see all the
annotations.

Let me know what you think. Since this is not a microformat
really, as 
it is not on the Web, if some people find it useful and
would like to 
discuss it or help me with the implementation, I was
thinking to move 
this to a separate Web site hprivacy.org.

Guillaume




Kevin Marks wrote:
>
> On Apr 12, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:
>
>> I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo
(well, hopefully, if 
>> they can move me back to my original time) next
week, and would love 
>> to have more examples of folks using microformats
as APIs.  I 
>> ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL used 
>> as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it to
build a demo for my 
>> talk, but, I'd love more examples to point to.
>
> I made an openid+hCard example at http://kevinmarks.com
>>
>> Also, anyone have the digits that Tantek likes to
use about the 
>> number of pieces of microformatted content out
there in the wild?  I 
>> don't have the latest...
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On Apr 12, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:

> I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo (well,
hopefully, if  
> they can move me back to my original time) next week,
and would  
> love to have more examples of folks using microformats
as APIs.  I  
> ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL  
> used as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it to
build a demo  
> for my talk, but, I'd love more examples to point to.

Though I'd never thought of it like that before, I guess
this could  
be considered a geocoding API with hCard input and geo
output instead  
of the standard geocoding API fields:

ht
tp://microformat.makedatamakesense.com/auto_geo/

Peace,
Scott
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On Apr 12, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:

> I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo (well,
hopefully, if  
> they can move me back to my original time) next week,
and would  
> love to have more examples of folks using microformats
as APIs.  I  
> ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL  
> used as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it to
build a demo  
> for my talk, but, I'd love more examples to point to.

I made an openid+hCard example at http://kevinmarks.com
>
> Also, anyone have the digits that Tantek likes to use
about the  
> number of pieces of microformatted content out there in
the wild?   
> I don't have the latest...
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Does this OpenID+hCard deals with selective privacy? i.e.
showing 
certain information to only some class of people?

I have tried to solve this problem on my own with something
I call 
"hPrivacy".

I know this is more semantic HTML than Microformats, but I
think this 
may be relevant to this list.

hPrivacy is about using hprivacy-friends, hprivacy-pro, etc.
class 
attributes in the HTML to annotate what I want specific
groups to see 
about my identity. A proxy or Web server module is used to
filter the 
content based on the visitor's group.

It's very early and not finished (visitors cannot
authenticate or 
provide secrets that prove they belong to a particular
group, in a way 
akin to Danah Boyd's SecureId 
http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/th
esis/secureid.html), but 
I have implemented the proxy that filters the HTML content
based on the 
group.

Here is what the public sees: http://lebleu.org/index.p
hp
Here is what my friends see: http://leble
u.org/index.php?group=family 
(of course this URL is just for the prototype)
Here is what my pro contacts see: http://lebleu.o
rg/index.php?group=pro 
(of course this URL is just for the prototype)

In the source HTML of these pages, you won't see any
hprivacy- 
attributes as they are removed to not provide any clue as to
which group 
a visitor does not belong to.

Here is the actual HTML with the hprivacy attributes: 
http://lebleu.org/hcard.
html (should be in a private folder retrieved by 
the Web server module/proxy) where you can see all the
annotations.

Let me know what you think. Since this is not a microformat
really, as 
it is not on the Web, if some people find it useful and
would like to 
discuss it or help me with the implementation, I was
thinking to move 
this to a separate Web site hprivacy.org.

Guillaume




Kevin Marks wrote:
>
> On Apr 12, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:
>
>> I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo
(well, hopefully, if 
>> they can move me back to my original time) next
week, and would love 
>> to have more examples of folks using microformats
as APIs.  I 
>> ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL used 
>> as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it to
build a demo for my 
>> talk, but, I'd love more examples to point to.
>
> I made an openid+hCard example at http://kevinmarks.com
>>
>> Also, anyone have the digits that Tantek likes to
use about the 
>> number of pieces of microformatted content out
there in the wild?  I 
>> don't have the latest...
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On Apr 12, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:

> I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo (well,
hopefully, if  
> they can move me back to my original time) next week,
and would  
> love to have more examples of folks using microformats
as APIs.  I  
> ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL  
> used as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it to
build a demo  
> for my talk, but, I'd love more examples to point to.

Though I'd never thought of it like that before, I guess
this could  
be considered a geocoding API with hCard input and geo
output instead  
of the standard geocoding API fields:

ht
tp://microformat.makedatamakesense.com/auto_geo/

Peace,
Scott
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I use OpenID + hCard at both:

http://www.horsepigcow.com


and

http://claimid.com/missr
ogue

Tara

On 4/12/07, Kevin Marks <kevinmarksmac.com> wrote:
>
> On Apr 12, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:
>
> > I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo
(well, hopefully, if
> > they can move me back to my original time) next
week, and would
> > love to have more examples of folks using
microformats as APIs.  I
> > ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL
> > used as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it
to build a demo
> > for my talk, but, I'd love more examples to point
to.
>
> I made an openid+hCard example at http://kevinmarks.com
> >
> > Also, anyone have the digits that Tantek likes to
use about the
> > number of pieces of microformatted content out
there in the wild?
> > I don't have the latest...
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>



-- 
Sincerely,

Tara
-----------------------
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Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com)
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phone: 415-694-1951
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Does this OpenID+hCard deals with selective privacy? i.e.
showing 
certain information to only some class of people?

I have tried to solve this problem on my own with something
I call 
"hPrivacy".

I know this is more semantic HTML than Microformats, but I
think this 
may be relevant to this list.

hPrivacy is about using hprivacy-friends, hprivacy-pro, etc.
class 
attributes in the HTML to annotate what I want specific
groups to see 
about my identity. A proxy or Web server module is used to
filter the 
content based on the visitor's group.

It's very early and not finished (visitors cannot
authenticate or 
provide secrets that prove they belong to a particular
group, in a way 
akin to Danah Boyd's SecureId 
http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/th
esis/secureid.html), but 
I have implemented the proxy that filters the HTML content
based on the 
group.

Here is what the public sees: http://lebleu.org/index.p
hp
Here is what my friends see: http://leble
u.org/index.php?group=family 
(of course this URL is just for the prototype)
Here is what my pro contacts see: http://lebleu.o
rg/index.php?group=pro 
(of course this URL is just for the prototype)

In the source HTML of these pages, you won't see any
hprivacy- 
attributes as they are removed to not provide any clue as to
which group 
a visitor does not belong to.

Here is the actual HTML with the hprivacy attributes: 
http://lebleu.org/hcard.
html (should be in a private folder retrieved by 
the Web server module/proxy) where you can see all the
annotations.

Let me know what you think. Since this is not a microformat
really, as 
it is not on the Web, if some people find it useful and
would like to 
discuss it or help me with the implementation, I was
thinking to move 
this to a separate Web site hprivacy.org.

Guillaume




Kevin Marks wrote:
>
> On Apr 12, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:
>
>> I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo
(well, hopefully, if 
>> they can move me back to my original time) next
week, and would love 
>> to have more examples of folks using microformats
as APIs.  I 
>> ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL used 
>> as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it to
build a demo for my 
>> talk, but, I'd love more examples to point to.
>
> I made an openid+hCard example at http://kevinmarks.com
>>
>> Also, anyone have the digits that Tantek likes to
use about the 
>> number of pieces of microformatted content out
there in the wild?  I 
>> don't have the latest...
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On Apr 12, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:

> I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo (well,
hopefully, if  
> they can move me back to my original time) next week,
and would  
> love to have more examples of folks using microformats
as APIs.  I  
> ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL  
> used as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it to
build a demo  
> for my talk, but, I'd love more examples to point to.

Though I'd never thought of it like that before, I guess
this could  
be considered a geocoding API with hCard input and geo
output instead  
of the standard geocoding API fields:

ht
tp://microformat.makedatamakesense.com/auto_geo/

Peace,
Scott
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On Apr 12, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:

> I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo (well,
hopefully, if  
> they can move me back to my original time) next week,
and would  
> love to have more examples of folks using microformats
as APIs.  I  
> ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the list of
grabbing the URL  
> used as an OpenID and looking for an hcard on it to
build a demo  
> for my talk, but, I'd love more examples to point to.
>
> Also, anyone have the digits that Tantek likes to use
about the  
> number of pieces of microformatted content out there in
the wild?   
> I don't have the latest...

I don't think we have any good overall estimates. AFAIK, no
one has  
an index of all microformats in the wild. Most estimates I
make are  
based off of the implementations and examples-in-the-wild
pages on  
the wiki with some estimates of extrapolation.

-ryan
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Kevin,

> Also, anyone have the digits that Tantek likes to use
about the  
> number of pieces of microformatted content out there in
the wild?   
> I don't have the latest...

off the top of my head, some of the numbers I bandy about
when  
presenting 

There are in the order of 9 million hResumes at linked in -
public  
(only the public ones last tim I checked) profiles are
marked up as  
hResume.
Yahoo local and tech have in the order of millions (possibly
tens of  
millions) of hCards and hReviews.
There are in the order of millions of GEO marked up photos
at Flickr.

So, we can safely say in the order of tens of millions of
pages.

Anyone else got some large scale deployments I missed?

john

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