Datetime design pattern

Hi,

 Is the datetime design pattern strictly limited to the abbr
element,
or can it be used on other elements (like a list item for
example).

 If so, what is the rational behind it? I'm not questioning
it, just
intend to fully grok it.


Cheers,
Victor


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On 4/16/07, victor jalencas <victorcarotena.net> wrote:
>  Is the datetime design pattern strictly limited to the
abbr element,
> or can it be used on other elements (like a list item
for example).

Yes, it's limited to ABBR [1]

>  If so, what is the rational behind it? I'm not
questioning it, just
> intend to fully grok it.

Some of Tantek's initial thoughts on the subject that led to
the
agreement are on his blog [2]

The basic idea behind restricting it is that the use of title on
arbitrary elements would be a form of data-hiding, which is
not in the
spirit of microformats, whereas using ABBR makes sense if
you view
things like '10am Monday" as an abbreviation for
'10:00:00BST on
Monday 16th April'.

It would be nice, IMO, if the wiki linked to the relevant
sections of
the mailing list, IRC logs and influential blog posts for
decisions
like this.  It would help to explain a lot of the thinking
behind
'controversial' decisions like the datetime design pattern,
rel-tags
url scheme and a few other things that seem to cause
puzzlement.

-Ciaran McNulty

[1] http://microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-p
attern#How_to_use_it
[2] http://ta
ntek.com/log/2005/01.html#d26t0100
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I see. Thanks Ciaran!

On 16/04/07, Ciaran McNulty <mailciaranmcnulty.com>
wrote:
> On 4/16/07, victor jalencas <victorcarotena.net> wrote:
> >  Is the datetime design pattern strictly limited
to the abbr element,
> > or can it be used on other elements (like a list
item for example).
>
> Yes, it's limited to ABBR [1]
>
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On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:17 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote:

> It would be nice, IMO, if the wiki linked to the
relevant sections of
> the mailing list, IRC logs and influential blog posts
for decisions
> like this.  It would help to explain a lot of the
thinking behind
> 'controversial' decisions like the datetime design
pattern, rel-tags
> url scheme and a few other things that seem to cause
puzzlement.

That's a great suggestion. At the very least, any page could
have a  
section at the bottom for "discussion elsewhere",
for linking to  
resources outside the wiki that provide background
information.

-ryan
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On 4/16/07, Ryan King <ryantechnorati.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:17 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote:
>
> > It would be nice, IMO, if the wiki linked to the
relevant sections of
> > the mailing list, IRC logs and influential blog
posts for decisions
> > like this.  It would help to explain a lot of the
thinking behind
> > 'controversial' decisions like the datetime design
pattern, rel-tags
> > url scheme and a few other things that seem to
cause puzzlement.
>
> That's a great suggestion. At the very least, any page
could have a
> section at the bottom for "discussion
elsewhere", for linking to
> resources outside the wiki that provide background
information.

And when there's a whole set of related pages, templates are
very useful.

For example, on page [1] I have the See Also section as:

{}

This can then be reused on all item-* pages

Regards, etc...

[1] http://mic
roformats.org/wiki/items-formats
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