Re: changing abbr-design-pattern to title-design-pattern?

Jeremy wrote:
> I don't want to get anyone's hopes up but there's an
interesting
> comment from Lawrence Meckan on the WaSP blog post:
> http://www.webstandards.org/2007/04/27/hacce
ssibility/#comment-57838

Jeremy,

I'm still working through why and how I'm getting the
results I've got.

Notes thus far:

1) JAWS 8 starts off in "beginner" verbosity mode
as default, which
means it doesn't read titles outside the site title, from my
testing.
I followed Jon Gibbins' walkthough on how to set up JAWS
correctly for
titles, just in case I missed anything. It somehow read it
okay.

2) I set up Windows Eyes 6 to read the entire document and
it had no
problems with the inclusion of a spanned element inside the
abbreviation. I may have missed the setting for titling on
first pass
(need to revisit on Wednesday)

3) Firevox testing was simple, again setting it to auto read
the entire
document, then testing with "Say Selected Text",
"Spell Out" and "Read
Current Position". The latter 3 were done with
selecting the title of
the relevant post, published date and first sentence of post
text (as
all posts are hAtomised).

> He's getting good results from up-to-date screen
readers with advance
> verbosity settings and this little caveat about the
markup:
> 
> "I’ve also expanded the abbr pattern to include a
span inside it,
> essentially duplicating the semantic structure, in
order to do a fix
> for IE6 not styling abbrevations."
> 
> If there's a chance that adding an extra span inside
the abbr element
> somehow helps screen readers, then that should probably
be included
> in the test cases:
> http://microformats.org/wiki/assistive-technology-
abbr-results
> 
> Like I said, we shouldn't get our hopes but it's
certainly worth
> investigating.

That's what I'm doing, Jeremy. Investigating it..

I see three possible outcomes:
1) I've done something horribly wrong to get the results I
have.
2) That extra span fixes it, somehow.
3) Something else..?

I should have more results uploaded late Wednesday AEST (I
forgot to
record the audio outputs in the initial test for this
behaviour), which
should mean they should go live around midday in Brighton.

Thanks

Lawrence

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Lawrence wrote:
> I should have more results uploaded late Wednesday AEST
(I forgot to
> record the audio outputs in the initial test for this
behaviour),  
> which
> should mean they should go live around midday in
Brighton.

Excellent! I really appreciate you doing this.

> I see three possible outcomes:
> 1) I've done something horribly wrong to get the
results I have.
> 2) That extra span fixes it, somehow.
> 3) Something else..?

If we can other people (probably WaSP ATF folks) to run the
same  
tests (especially on JAWS pre-version 8) then I think we'll
get an  
answer pretty quickly. Fingers crossed that it's number 2.


Again, a big thank you, Lawrence (and Benjamin, James,
Patrick and  
anyone else taking the time to run these kind of tests).

Bye,

Jeremy

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