hResume question

I've been looking at microformats for a few weeks now and
I'm slightly
confused with the proposed hResume format.

My confusion comes from the employment history.

Why would one want to put a personal hCard into an hCalendar
event
that essentially has old information in it? A person who is
viewing
the hResume could download/extract one of the employment
history
hCards and could think it is the correct contact information
the
writer of the hResume. This could lead to a lot of confusion
and
problems.

I was told on IRC yesterday that this is fine because the
hCard was
inside the hCalendar and the hCard was time senestive. This,
however,
does not prevent the hCard to be taken out of context and
the time
element of the hCalendar event to be lost.

I've read though most of the documentation surrounding
hResume and I
can't find an explanation to this. The closest thing I could
find was
this:

"Additionally, within a particular work experience, the
list of job
titles could be expressed as hcards. The only issue here is
with
having to repeat the FN for each of these hcards."
http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-brainstormi
ng#Work_Experience

This doesn't really explain the reasoning behind the
decision to go
this route. It would make more sense if the hCard in side
the
hCalendar event was a hCard for the employer and not the
x-employee.

Can anyone give some insight on this?

Andrew Jaswa
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On 5/23/07, Andrew Jaswa <ajaswagmail.com> wrote:
> I've been looking at microformats for a few weeks now
and I'm slightly
> confused with the proposed hResume format.
>
> My confusion comes from the employment history.
>
> Why would one want to put a personal hCard into an
hCalendar event
> that essentially has old information in it?

One wouldn't, as far as I can see.

Certainly in my hResume, the hCards for each hEvent in the
employment
history is the name and url of the company involved.

Regards,

-Ciaran McNulty
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On May 23, 2007, Ciaran McNulty wrote

> On 5/23/07, Andrew Jaswa <ajaswagmail.com> wrote:
> > I've been looking at microformats for a few weeks
now and 
> I'm slightly 
> > confused with the proposed hResume format.
> >
> > My confusion comes from the employment history.
> >
> > Why would one want to put a personal hCard into an
hCalendar event 
> > that essentially has old information in it?
> 
> One wouldn't, as far as I can see.
> 
> Certainly in my hResume, the hCards for each hEvent in
the 
> employment history is the name and url of the company
involved.

Actually, according to the hResume draft spec [1], an hCard
for each job
title/position within an 'experience' should use the include
pattern to pull
in the 'fn' of the subject of the hResume. 

1. http:
//microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Experience

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Steve, Ciaran, Thanks for replying.

The point that Steve makes is the exact reason that started
my confusion.

The draft says to use the include pattern to include your
formatted
name (so you don't have to repeat it in the markup). Where I
think
this goes awry is the end result of including your
"fn" into hCards
that have past contact information that can be taken out of
context.
It doesn't make sense to me anyway I look at it.

If there is a good reason for that could some one explain it
and maybe
put it in the Wiki? Like I said I've read though the
documentation and
I can't find one.

Thanks!

Andrew Jaswa

On 5/25/07, Steve Ganz <steveganz.name> wrote:
>
> On May 23, 2007, Ciaran McNulty wrote
>
> > On 5/23/07, Andrew Jaswa <ajaswagmail.com> wrote:
> > > I've been looking at microformats for a few
weeks now and
> > I'm slightly
> > > confused with the proposed hResume format.
> > >
> > > My confusion comes from the employment
history.
> > >
> > > Why would one want to put a personal hCard
into an hCalendar event
> > > that essentially has old information in it?
> >
> > One wouldn't, as far as I can see.
> >
> > Certainly in my hResume, the hCards for each
hEvent in the
> > employment history is the name and url of the
company involved.
>
> Actually, according to the hResume draft spec [1], an
hCard for each job
> title/position within an 'experience' should use the
include pattern to pull
> in the 'fn' of the subject of the hResume.
>
> 1. http:
//microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Experience
>
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On Friday, May 25, 2007 10:54 AM, Andrew Jaswa wrote

> The draft says to use the include pattern to include
your 
> formatted name (so you don't have to repeat it in the 
> markup). Where I think this goes awry is the end result
of 
> including your "fn" into hCards that have
past contact 
> information that can be taken out of context.
> It doesn't make sense to me anyway I look at it.

> If there is a good reason for that could some one
explain it 
> and maybe put it in the Wiki? Like I said I've read
though 
> the documentation and I can't find one.

Hinted at in the initial resume brainstorming sessions[1], I
believe the
idea was that an hCard would be analogous to a business card
for each
position that you held in an experience. At the very core,
it is used to
markup the "title" for that position and
"title" is a vcard field. So in the
spirit of reuse[2], it was logical to use hCard for that
purpose.

1.
http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-
brainstorming#hCard_reference_via_object
2. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats#t
he_microformats_principles

- Steve Ganz

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