Re: microformats for normal people, like my mum

I've been giving some thought to framing microformatted
content as  
"attachments," along with a little paper clip
icon.  This would  
resonate with users who are familiar with email, but on the
downside,  
a lot of people have been trained that attachments=danger.

-Alex

On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Pelle W wrote:

> Paul Wilkins skrev:
>> From: "Alex Faaborg" <faaborgmozilla.com>
>> |> Mozilla's user experience team is going to
continue  
>> brainstorming the
>>> best way to expose microformat detection to end
users, along with  
>>> the rest of the mozilla community.  I'll post
updates to this  
>>> list from  time to time, and it will be
interesting to see what  
>>> interfaces and  names other people come up with
as well.
>> The RSS feeds are accessed in the browser through
the feed button.
>> So it makes sense that the microformat data should
be accessed  
>> through the data button.
>>
>> I do like data, it's concise and is easy to
explain.
>>
>> Q: What kind of data can I get from the data
button?
>> A: Contact details, calender entries, geographic
locations, . . .
>>
>> Q: Does the data button always get the
information?
>> A: No, only when the page author has specially
marked out those  
>> parts of the page.
> Data sounds good but since RSS also is data the
RSS-feed should  
> perhaps be reached from below the data-button to
emphasize the  
> similarities.
>
> / Pelle
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Alex,

I would suggest that attachments are definitely a bad idea.
They imply opening or saving a completely separate
document/file and
are, as you state, "danger" waiting to happen.

LiveData
HyperData
SmartData
WebData
MagicData

LiveBits
HyperBits
SmartBits
WebBits
MagicBits

Bits being a combination of both bits/bytes and tidbits.

Someone somewhere is going to name this thing. It might be a
journalist. It might be FF. It could be a blogger.


The idea that there is data embedded in a web page that the
browser can consistently interact with beyond the hyperlink
is new.
Especially when that embedding and the interactions are
consistent across many many webpages, but not all web pages.
 Users will
name it something. I think people understand
"data" but rarely have a need to speak of data
generally--we talk about contacts or
events or people or reviews.  

But when "my brain is full": it's got too much
stuff. Too much data. I think people get that. Data is
generalized digital bits in
some way that's useful. hCards, hCalendars, GEO, XFN and
other uF or POSH generalize to data. Semantic data.

Of course, "bookmarks" were a pretty innovative
metaphor.  Perhaps there is something completely different
that works. Maybe
something from tidbits. Or morsels...

Anyway, good luck. I expect you might have more luck with
the FF crew.

-j

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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bouncesmicroformats.org] On 
> Behalf Of Alex Faaborg
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:40 PM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal
people, like my mum
> 
> 
> I've been giving some thought to framing microformatted
content as  
> "attachments," along with a little paper clip
icon.  This would  
> resonate with users who are familiar with email, but on
the 
> downside,  
> a lot of people have been trained that
attachments=danger.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Pelle W wrote:
> 
> > Paul Wilkins skrev:
> >> From: "Alex Faaborg" <faaborgmozilla.com>
> >> |> Mozilla's user experience team is going
to continue
> >> brainstorming the
> >>> best way to expose microformat detection
to end users, along with
> >>> the rest of the mozilla community.  I'll
post updates to this  
> >>> list from  time to time, and it will be
interesting to see what  
> >>> interfaces and  names other people come up
with as well.
> >> The RSS feeds are accessed in the browser
through the feed 
> button. So 
> >> it makes sense that the microformat data
should be accessed
> >> through the data button.
> >>
> >> I do like data, it's concise and is easy to
explain.
> >>
> >> Q: What kind of data can I get from the data
button?
> >> A: Contact details, calender entries,
geographic locations, . . .
> >>
> >> Q: Does the data button always get the
information?
> >> A: No, only when the page author has specially
marked out those
> >> parts of the page.
> > Data sounds good but since RSS also is data the
RSS-feed should
> > perhaps be reached from below the data-button to
emphasize the  
> > similarities.
> >
> > / Pelle
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