On 7/21/07 2:35 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <andy pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <C2C6A18B.924CA%tantekcs.stanford.edu>, Tantek Çelik
> <tantekcs.stanford.edu> writes
>
>> On 7/20/07 4:35 PM, "Andy Mabbett"
<andypigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I applaud him for doing so; but, at the time of
writing, copyright in
>>> both hCalendar and hCard is still claimed, in
part, by "Technorati,
>>> Inc.", by virtue of their being one of the
three listed authors,
>>
>> Technorati is not listed as an author, but merely
my (and a few
>> others') affiliation at the time of authoring the
spec(s).
>>
>> However, I can very much see how that could be
misinterpreted so I have
>> edited the affiliation text of the specifications
of which I am an
>> author/editor/contributor to be in the style used
by W3C specifications
>
> Thank you for the clarification. I'm unclear as to why
such an
> affiliation is relevant,
Tradition. Indicating authors' affiliation(s) is a common
practice among
standards organizations (e.g. W3C, IETF).
> if you were not acting on behalf of Technorati
> at the time of writing the spec (your connection to
them is, after all,
> mentioned on your user page, should anyone be
interested), but that's
> now incidental.
As I was employed by Technorati at the time, I was acting
both in the
interests of microformats and Technorati.
> The hCalendar and hCard specs now each have two authors
(you and Brain
> Suda), both of whom have kindly released your work into
PD - so the
> statement that "Microformats copyright ...
statements apply." and "This
> specification is (C) 2004-2007 by the author" are
now either
> contradictory, or simply wrong. Please will you amend
the spec to clear
> up that ambiguity, as you have done on Geo and Adr?
Thanks to Brian Suda for also explicitly releasing his
contributions to
hCard and hCalendar to the public domain.
Certainly the MicroFormatCopyrightStatement appears
confusing next to the
authors' public domain releases.
Accordingly, since all the authors of those specifications
have released
their work explicitly to the public domain, I've removed
the
MicroFormatCopyrightStatement and added a general statement
of public domain
release and a MicroFormatPublicDomainContributionStatement
as replacement
for the contributor agreements portion of the previous
MicroformatsCopyrightStatement.
I have also placed the
MicroFormatPublicDomainContributionStatement on the
specs for which I am sole author/editor such as adr, geo,
and rel-license
for the same reasons.
> I take it that you're also aware that making such a
spec PD means that
> there's no recourse, other than community
disapprobation, if someone
> should republish it, with extra, removed, or changed
properties?
We are in fact making two statements with this increasing
move towards
public domain microformats specs.
1) We believe the microformats community has garnered
sufficient respect of
the broader web community and is strong enough to be
stewards of the
microformats specs even with them being released to the
public domain. Yes
someone else could go fork/mutate our specs, but I expect
that community
disapprobation (as you say) and pressure to pass the test
cases and
interoperate with the compliant implementations will be
sufficient.
2) Open standards for data formats should be in the public
domain, owned by
no one, free to all to use and implement, across time and
space. We are the
first standards related organization or community to ever
put any of their
specs in the public domain AFAIK.
>> all the work I have done on microformats when
employed by Technorati
>> was done very much in and for the community and I
have taken the extra
>> step of releasing my work into the public domain to
be even more
>> explicit.
>
> Doing so is laudable and I look forward to seeing
> the authors of other published microformats doing
likewise.
Thanks Andy.
I look forward to seeing you release your contributions to
the microformats
community to the public domain as well.
Thanks,
Tantek
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