Re: Microformats UI in Firefox 3

One thing I need someone to clarify:

Is that  div.user-action inserted by the user-agent, in this
case,
Firefox 3? Or do the authors have to include that code on
their pages?

This wasn't very clear to me...

Thanks.

Cheers,
André

On 8/28/07, Andy Mabbett <andypigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:
> In message <694BBF6E-7DC6-477A-8618-E1721FDA4441mozilla.com>, Alex
> Faaborg <faaborgmozilla.com> writes
>
> >The last class is new:
> >  <div class="user-action"
style="visibility:hidden">Add to Address
> >Book</div>
> >
> >The text "Add to Address Book" is hidden
by default, unless the browser
> >(or an extension) recognizes user-action
>
> ...or unless the user agent has no CSS functionality
available.
>
> Is that "degrading gracefully"?
>
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André Luís skrev:
> One thing I need someone to clarify:
>
> Is that  div.user-action inserted by the user-agent, in
this case,
> Firefox 3? Or do the authors have to include that code
on their pages?
>
> This wasn't very clear to me...
>   
I've understood that it's inserted by the web developer to
enable 
him/her to implement the Microformat-actions in their own
designs and 
it's suggested that the class "user-action" should
be used to indicate 
that something is meant to be a link to such an action.
> On 8/28/07, Andy Mabbett <andypigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:
>   
>> In message
<694BBF6E-7DC6-477A-8618-E1721FDA4441mozilla.com>, Alex
>> Faaborg <faaborgmozilla.com> writes
>>     
>>> The last class is new:
>>>  <div class="user-action"
style="visibility:hidden">Add to Address
>>> Book</div>
>>>
>>> The text "Add to Address Book" is
hidden by default, unless the browser
>>> (or an extension) recognizes user-action
>>>       
>> ...or unless the user agent has no CSS
functionality available.
>>
>> Is that "degrading gracefully"?
>>     
What I don't understand in thate example is that the
"user-action" is 
applied onto a div which doesn't contain any links or
buttons. An action 
is most often initiated by clicking on either a link or a
button. Will 
the browser add such a control? If so the control over the
design won't 
be completely handed over to the designer which it should
be.

Another problem might be that the browser will be changing
the 
visibility property because that disables the designer from
turning of 
the action-div's visibility. For example - the designer
wants the 
action-button/link to only be shown when you hover over the
hCard it's 
connected to, therefor the designer hides it by setting the
visibility 
property to hidden and changing it upon hover. If the
browser then 
changes the visibility the design won't look like it was
intended to.

If a class is to be used it should only connect an action
and not add 
anything or change anything about the site.

/ Pelle W
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