Microformats and Firefox 3

I think some folks here are missing the point in the
Microformats/Firefox 3 discussion.

We are trying to foster a discussion about what to do with
microformats in Firefox 3, we are not trying to tell you
what we are
going to do.

This is a very difficult problem to solve and we need input
on it. At
this point, the microformats community has primarily been
focused on
marking up microformats. We want people to start thinking
about how to
communicate microformats to the user.

So here are a few discussion points to get people focused:

1. Microformats UI in the browser needs to be a
"transient UI." That
is, dedicating permanent space in the browser to a
technology that is
not available on most sites probably doesn't make much sense
(at least
at first). What does transient UI in a browser look like?

2. Microformats are in page, and there needs to be some way
to
indicate the microformats are available on the page that
doesn't
offend page authors. How can we accomplish this?

Discuss.

Incidentally, Operator was always intended to be a UI
experiment in
microformats. I'm finding that most people use the toolbar
(probably
because it's the default). But there are six different ways
to
interact with microformats in Operator
(http://www.kaply
.com/weblog/operator).

Mike Kaply
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Ok Mike. Thanks for clearing it up.

I'd like to know one thing... Have you discussed the option
of using
the notification box as a first notification to the user of
the
presence of microformats in the current page and _there_
provide a
button to reveal them?
I've searched but found nothing similar... but what do you
guys think?

This wouldn't require any permanent space on the UI... and
it wouldn't
inject anything until an action from the user was
performed.

(to avoid confusion i mean the notification box like this
drawing points out:
http://people.mozilla.c
om/~faaborg/files/20070204-detectionUI/anatomyChrome.jpg_lar
ge.jpg)


Cheers,
André Luís

On 9/4/07, Mike Kaply <microformatskaply.com> wrote:
> I think some folks here are missing the point in the
> Microformats/Firefox 3 discussion.
>
> We are trying to foster a discussion about what to do
with
> microformats in Firefox 3, we are not trying to tell
you what we are
> going to do.
>
> This is a very difficult problem to solve and we need
input on it. At
> this point, the microformats community has primarily
been focused on
> marking up microformats. We want people to start
thinking about how to
> communicate microformats to the user.
>
> So here are a few discussion points to get people
focused:
>
> 1. Microformats UI in the browser needs to be a
"transient UI." That
> is, dedicating permanent space in the browser to a
technology that is
> not available on most sites probably doesn't make much
sense (at least
> at first). What does transient UI in a browser look
like?
>
> 2. Microformats are in page, and there needs to be some
way to
> indicate the microformats are available on the page
that doesn't
> offend page authors. How can we accomplish this?
>
> Discuss.
>
> Incidentally, Operator was always intended to be a UI
experiment in
> microformats. I'm finding that most people use the
toolbar (probably
> because it's the default). But there are six different
ways to
> interact with microformats in Operator
> (http://www.kaply
.com/weblog/operator).
>
> Mike Kaply
> _______________________________________________
> microformats-discuss mailing list
> microformats-discussmicroformats.org
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ts-discuss
>

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On 9/4/07, David Mead <davidjohnmeadgmail.com> wrote:
> I would love to see a new button in the URL bar, like
Flock has for
> when there is RSS, media streams or a SE plugin on the
page.  That is
> one feature of the new Flock I find I'm  using a lot
now.

Note that Operator does have a URL button option in 0.8

> I also think there should be something to check in the
options panel
> so I can choose to have any action based on a
microformat in the page,
> open a new tab or window, if it doesn't involve an
external
> application.  Maybe that's on a new tab within options
where I can set
> the default handlers for different microformats?

Actually, we honor the Firefox keystrokes for this. Try
holding down
the Ctrl button when you click on an action or using the
middle mouse
button.

See:

http://w
ww.mozilla.org/support/firefox/mouse


Thank you for your comments!

Mike
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